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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;The Cure&#8221; by Lynch, McNicol, and Thrall</title>
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		<title>By: jennie</title>
		<link>http://escapetoreality.org/2012/10/18/the-cure-by-lynch-mcnichol-and-thrall/#comment-7874</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i agree - the rest of what the authors write about contradicts that one paragraph.  they explain how it is important for us to forgive others for our own sake... and then advise us to allow the person who committed the offense to come to us with repentance, for HIS own sake.  and this is exactly what God has done - He forgave us for His own sake, but then allows us to come to Him with repentance for OUR own sake.

&quot;Grace always invites rather than demands reconciliation.&quot;  so true. God has invited us into relationship with Himself through Christ  - and that is why we are free to chose to believe or not believe... 

the authors state that there is a significant difference between reconciliation and conflict resolution in our relationships with each other.  so maybe it is conflict resolution that is hindering people from experiencing a relationship with God?  conflict resolution has been dealt with (the conflict was sin) and is no longer the problem - once we understand that Jesus took care of that at the cross... however, if believers don&#039;t understand this and are confessing sins that have already been forgiven, do you think that perhaps they are stuck in conflict resolution with God...? and probably haven&#039;t experienced reconciliation...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree &#8211; the rest of what the authors write about contradicts that one paragraph.  they explain how it is important for us to forgive others for our own sake&#8230; and then advise us to allow the person who committed the offense to come to us with repentance, for HIS own sake.  and this is exactly what God has done &#8211; He forgave us for His own sake, but then allows us to come to Him with repentance for OUR own sake.</p>
<p>&#8220;Grace always invites rather than demands reconciliation.&#8221;  so true. God has invited us into relationship with Himself through Christ  &#8211; and that is why we are free to chose to believe or not believe&#8230; </p>
<p>the authors state that there is a significant difference between reconciliation and conflict resolution in our relationships with each other.  so maybe it is conflict resolution that is hindering people from experiencing a relationship with God?  conflict resolution has been dealt with (the conflict was sin) and is no longer the problem &#8211; once we understand that Jesus took care of that at the cross&#8230; however, if believers don&#8217;t understand this and are confessing sins that have already been forgiven, do you think that perhaps they are stuck in conflict resolution with God&#8230;? and probably haven&#8217;t experienced reconciliation&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ellis</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yes, I remember that bit now. Yes, I disagree with the statement as it stands and I thought the &quot;Father forgive them bit&quot; on the cross was a bit furry. The authors equate forgiveness with salvation and since everyone isn&#039;t saved, everyone can&#039;t be forgiven. It&#039;s a logical conclusion &lt;a href=&quot;http://escapetoreality.org/2012/07/11/why-do-people-need-to-receive-forgiveness/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drawn from an incorrect premise&lt;/a&gt;. Nor does it fit with their own example. We forgive those who offend us for our sakes - so we don&#039;t get bitter and twisted. True! But if we forgive them, then guess what, they are forgiven! They may not know it, they may not receive it, but the fact of the matter is they are forgiven. From our side, the issue is settled.

To say Jesus waits before he forgives us is to suggest Jesus is holding onto our sins and offenses, and he is not. If neither God the Father nor God the Holy Spirit remembers our sins no more, you can be sure that neither does God the Son!

I fully grasp the point that telling an unrepentant person they are forgiven can be like throwing pearls before swine. I&#039;m reminded of the movie &lt;em&gt;Warrior &lt;/em&gt;where the old brother told the younger brother he had forgiven him years ago. That revelation did not go down well with the younger brother - he wasn&#039;t interested in forgiveness. Nevertheless, it is the goodness of God that leads us to repentance and God&#039;s goodness is most clearly sin in the death and resurrection of Jesus - it&#039;s seen in the cross where the Lamb of God carried the sins of the world.

I guess I wasn&#039;t too troubled the first time I read this because I agree with the larger point being made, that the restoration of relationship is so much more than conflict resolution and that we need to look to God to heal our wounded hearts and not the offender. &lt;em&gt;That &lt;/em&gt;is an excellent insight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, I remember that bit now. Yes, I disagree with the statement as it stands and I thought the &#8220;Father forgive them bit&#8221; on the cross was a bit furry. The authors equate forgiveness with salvation and since everyone isn&#8217;t saved, everyone can&#8217;t be forgiven. It&#8217;s a logical conclusion <a href="http://escapetoreality.org/2012/07/11/why-do-people-need-to-receive-forgiveness/" rel="nofollow">drawn from an incorrect premise</a>. Nor does it fit with their own example. We forgive those who offend us for our sakes &#8211; so we don&#8217;t get bitter and twisted. True! But if we forgive them, then guess what, they are forgiven! They may not know it, they may not receive it, but the fact of the matter is they are forgiven. From our side, the issue is settled.</p>
<p>To say Jesus waits before he forgives us is to suggest Jesus is holding onto our sins and offenses, and he is not. If neither God the Father nor God the Holy Spirit remembers our sins no more, you can be sure that neither does God the Son!</p>
<p>I fully grasp the point that telling an unrepentant person they are forgiven can be like throwing pearls before swine. I&#8217;m reminded of the movie <em>Warrior </em>where the old brother told the younger brother he had forgiven him years ago. That revelation did not go down well with the younger brother &#8211; he wasn&#8217;t interested in forgiveness. Nevertheless, it is the goodness of God that leads us to repentance and God&#8217;s goodness is most clearly sin in the death and resurrection of Jesus &#8211; it&#8217;s seen in the cross where the Lamb of God carried the sins of the world.</p>
<p>I guess I wasn&#8217;t too troubled the first time I read this because I agree with the larger point being made, that the restoration of relationship is so much more than conflict resolution and that we need to look to God to heal our wounded hearts and not the offender. <em>That </em>is an excellent insight.</p>
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		<title>By: jennie</title>
		<link>http://escapetoreality.org/2012/10/18/the-cure-by-lynch-mcnichol-and-thrall/#comment-7852</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oooh i was the same way when i read that yesterday! (&#039;bristle&#039; is a good way to describe it) in fact, when I read it over again to make sure that is what the author wrote, i had to highlight it and write a note with about 6 verses that proved otherwise! lol

it&#039;s in chapter 5, under &quot;I tell the offender I have forgiven him when he repents for his sake&quot; (fifth paragraph) ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oooh i was the same way when i read that yesterday! (&#8216;bristle&#8217; is a good way to describe it) in fact, when I read it over again to make sure that is what the author wrote, i had to highlight it and write a note with about 6 verses that proved otherwise! lol</p>
<p>it&#8217;s in chapter 5, under &#8220;I tell the offender I have forgiven him when he repents for his sake&#8221; (fifth paragraph) ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Ellis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 02:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha - I must&#039;ve missed that bit. What page is it?

It&#039;s not uncommon to find little bits of theology that stick up like nails even in the very best books. I tend to see right past them if the book is largely on a good track, and I think The Cure is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha &#8211; I must&#8217;ve missed that bit. What page is it?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not uncommon to find little bits of theology that stick up like nails even in the very best books. I tend to see right past them if the book is largely on a good track, and I think The Cure is.</p>
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		<title>By: Gratuitous Grace</title>
		<link>http://escapetoreality.org/2012/10/18/the-cure-by-lynch-mcnichol-and-thrall/#comment-7845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gratuitous Grace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Paul :-) Thanks for sharing this book review! I am really enjoying this book, but am still finding things in it which make me bristle a bit, for example when the authors say: &#039;Jesus waits for our repentance before he forgives us....When we repent of our sins against God and ask for his forgiveness, then, and only then does he forgive us and reconcile us to Himself. When we repent, Jesus grants us forgiveness for our sake.&quot; What are your thoughts on this? Thanks :-)  Jemma]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul :-) Thanks for sharing this book review! I am really enjoying this book, but am still finding things in it which make me bristle a bit, for example when the authors say: &#8216;Jesus waits for our repentance before he forgives us&#8230;.When we repent of our sins against God and ask for his forgiveness, then, and only then does he forgive us and reconcile us to Himself. When we repent, Jesus grants us forgiveness for our sake.&#8221; What are your thoughts on this? Thanks :-)  Jemma</p>
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		<title>By: Love's Bird</title>
		<link>http://escapetoreality.org/2012/10/18/the-cure-by-lynch-mcnichol-and-thrall/#comment-7835</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Love's Bird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What love is this?!? &quot;We cannot attend church, we are the church.&quot; Jesus said His Holy Spirit is just like the wind in that you can&#039;t tell where it comes from or where it will go next. He - WE - are THAT free!!! Love loves, wherever it goes, wherever it is. It is free and for all. How beautifully you have said it, Nicholas!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What love is this?!? &#8220;We cannot attend church, we are the church.&#8221; Jesus said His Holy Spirit is just like the wind in that you can&#8217;t tell where it comes from or where it will go next. He &#8211; WE &#8211; are THAT free!!! Love loves, wherever it goes, wherever it is. It is free and for all. How beautifully you have said it, Nicholas!</p>
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		<title>By: Love's Bird</title>
		<link>http://escapetoreality.org/2012/10/18/the-cure-by-lynch-mcnichol-and-thrall/#comment-7834</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Love's Bird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a timely post - the Holy Spirit works miracles all the time! 

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the freedom Jesus died to bring me into! 

The Holy Spirit has simply and clearly confirmed through your post what the He has been showing me recently regarding some decidedly anti-Christ and anti-Christian statements and accusations made, astoundingly, by a member of an online email group of Christians I have been corresponding with. It is disconcerting to see and, as others in the group commend and support this person (through silence or responses), it becomes even moreso. I continue to contribute to this group because of the duty we have, as Christians, to love each other and not forsake coming together.

Then - you said it: &quot;killing lies&quot;. Yes. Make no mistake. Those in Christ who recognize and acknowledge the fullness of His person - the Son of God&#039;s love, no less - and are willing to trust that HE IS GOOD and that HE IS FOR THEM (as demonstrated throughout and by His suffering and death) are fierce as Jesus was, so in love with the life He died to bring us are we! Made for elevation, we are as eagles, loving the fresh, bracing strength of the wind currents, loving the testing and building of our strength in them. As our breath mingles intimately with that life-giving breath of God, we soar. We cannot live as pigeons, content eating scraps on the ground or parakeets, content to sit, secure, behind bars.

True love supernaturally flows out of the Truth that is Christ - the Sun of righteousness - and not out of our sense of duty or obligation to demonstrate it. And that kind of love is so bright, it supernaturally scares bugs into retreat and burns up lies! We don&#039;t do it; the power of God in us does. We don&#039;t shrink from it but run toward it - run IN it, FLY in it, glorious and free! Halellujah!

AMAZING GRACE, indeed. Our Father God is so good and His love keeps on shining and shining. Who can refuse or hide from such fierce, undying love? Oh, our Lord and King - come! Maranatha!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a timely post &#8211; the Holy Spirit works miracles all the time! </p>
<p>I LOVE LOVE LOVE the freedom Jesus died to bring me into! </p>
<p>The Holy Spirit has simply and clearly confirmed through your post what the He has been showing me recently regarding some decidedly anti-Christ and anti-Christian statements and accusations made, astoundingly, by a member of an online email group of Christians I have been corresponding with. It is disconcerting to see and, as others in the group commend and support this person (through silence or responses), it becomes even moreso. I continue to contribute to this group because of the duty we have, as Christians, to love each other and not forsake coming together.</p>
<p>Then &#8211; you said it: &#8220;killing lies&#8221;. Yes. Make no mistake. Those in Christ who recognize and acknowledge the fullness of His person &#8211; the Son of God&#8217;s love, no less &#8211; and are willing to trust that HE IS GOOD and that HE IS FOR THEM (as demonstrated throughout and by His suffering and death) are fierce as Jesus was, so in love with the life He died to bring us are we! Made for elevation, we are as eagles, loving the fresh, bracing strength of the wind currents, loving the testing and building of our strength in them. As our breath mingles intimately with that life-giving breath of God, we soar. We cannot live as pigeons, content eating scraps on the ground or parakeets, content to sit, secure, behind bars.</p>
<p>True love supernaturally flows out of the Truth that is Christ &#8211; the Sun of righteousness &#8211; and not out of our sense of duty or obligation to demonstrate it. And that kind of love is so bright, it supernaturally scares bugs into retreat and burns up lies! We don&#8217;t do it; the power of God in us does. We don&#8217;t shrink from it but run toward it &#8211; run IN it, FLY in it, glorious and free! Halellujah!</p>
<p>AMAZING GRACE, indeed. Our Father God is so good and His love keeps on shining and shining. Who can refuse or hide from such fierce, undying love? Oh, our Lord and King &#8211; come! Maranatha!</p>
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		<title>By: jennie</title>
		<link>http://escapetoreality.org/2012/10/18/the-cure-by-lynch-mcnichol-and-thrall/#comment-7831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jennie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[perfect timing (b/c God has no other kind!)...  my friend and i were talking yesterday about these very same questions... 
thanks!  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perfect timing (b/c God has no other kind!)&#8230;  my friend and i were talking yesterday about these very same questions&#8230;<br />
thanks!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: NICHOLAS LAMBERT</title>
		<link>http://escapetoreality.org/2012/10/18/the-cure-by-lynch-mcnichol-and-thrall/#comment-7830</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NICHOLAS LAMBERT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be sure to read &quot;whatever happened to the Good News?&quot; By Niall Walshe! God used this to confirm so much that He was teaching us about grace. It is the best Christian book I have ever read and talks about unadulterated Grace! On the basis of the truth of greace we cannot attend church, we are The Church. Nick Lambert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be sure to read &#8220;whatever happened to the Good News?&#8221; By Niall Walshe! God used this to confirm so much that He was teaching us about grace. It is the best Christian book I have ever read and talks about unadulterated Grace! On the basis of the truth of greace we cannot attend church, we are The Church. Nick Lambert.</p>
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		<title>By: David Marshall</title>
		<link>http://escapetoreality.org/2012/10/18/the-cure-by-lynch-mcnichol-and-thrall/#comment-7826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Marshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Odd to see that this your most recent post and I&#039;ve had this book sitting in my shelf for a few weeks without knowing what it was about! My friend sent it to me along with some other books and a copy of the Mirror Translation. Needless to say, I will dig into this once I&#039;m done with my huge NT Wright book report.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd to see that this your most recent post and I&#8217;ve had this book sitting in my shelf for a few weeks without knowing what it was about! My friend sent it to me along with some other books and a copy of the Mirror Translation. Needless to say, I will dig into this once I&#8217;m done with my huge NT Wright book report.</p>
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