Joseph Prince: Preacher of Grace

charisma_Joseph_princeSo the Americans have finally discovered Joseph Prince. A few weeks ago Charisma magazine published an interesting article on the Singaporean preacher entitled “Prince of Grace.” The article describes the growing impact of Prince’s grace preaching, particularly in the US television market. I don’t live there, but I imagine Prince stands out from the crowd of TV preachers. (Any Americans reading this? What do you think?) He’s apolitical, never asks for money, and preaches nothing but the grace of God revealed in Christ alone.

In the Charisma article, Prince recounts a life-changing experience he had back in 2000. He was visiting Canada when he turned on the TV and saw a minister preaching hellfire and brimstone. He asked God, “Why do you allow ministers like that on television?” He heard the Lord reply, “It is because ministers like you don’t want to be on television.” Seven years later and Joseph Prince Ministries started beaming onto our TV screens.

If you haven’t heard him preach, you’re missing out. Joseph Prince is an amazing preacher of the gospel of grace. Listen to him and you will come away with a fresh revelation of the goodness of God, the majesty of Jesus, and the perfectly complete work of the cross. I have heard him preach (on TV) numerous times. Perhaps this just reflects where I’m at with my walk with God, but my usual reaction is one of appreciation, both for his gift and the One who gave it.

I posted some of my favorite Joseph Prince quotes here a few months ago, but below are 20 of his all-time best exclusively on the subject of grace. None of these have appeared on E2R before. I’ve taken these 20 pearls of wisdom from three sources; Prince’s two books Destined to Reign (DTR) and Unmerited Favor (UF), plus the Charisma article mentioned earlier. Enjoy!

Joseph Prince: Top 20 Grace Quotes

1.    “Grace is not a theology. It is not a subject matter. It is not a doctrine. It is a person, and his name is Jesus.” (DTR, p.24)

2.    “The central tenet of the new covenant … is the complete forgiveness of sins!” (UF, p.171)

3.    “God’s forgiveness is not given in installments.” (UF, p.194)

4.    “Old Testament prophets call your sin to remembrance, while New Testament preachers call your righteousness to remembrance. Old Testament preachers tell you what’s wrong with you, while New Testament preachers tell you what is right with you because of what Jesus has done, in spite of what is wrong with you.” (DTR, p.220)

5.    “What man calls ‘balance,’ God calls ‘mixture’.” (UF, p.103)

6.    “The moment you accepted Jesus, God have you an eternal ‘A+’ for your right standing with Him.” (UF, p.313)

7.    “For the believer, God’s throne is not a throne of judgment. It is a throne of grace, a throne of unmerited favor.” (UF, p.298)

8.    “It is the gift of no condemnation that gives people the power to sin no more. Unfortunately, many have flipped the order. They say, ‘Go and sin no more, then we will not condemn you.’ There is no power in that. Experiencing the grace of our Lord Jesus gives people the power to stop sinning.” (Charisma)

9.    “The Bible says that sin shall not have dominion over you when you are not under law but under grace. So if you are living in sin, you are definitely not under grace.” (DTR, p.167)

10.    “Grace brings about a restraint that is supernatural.” (UF, p.147)

11.    “When you fall in love with Jesus, you will fall out of love with sin.” (Charisma)

12.    “Let me teach you how to discern if the grace teaching that you are hearing is doctrinally sound. When you hear the new covenant of grace preached, it is always Christ-exalting. It always reveals more and more of Jesus… There is no grace without Jesus.” (DTR, p.32)

13.    “It’s actually very easy to identify the difference between the old and new covenant teachings. Just ask yourself if the teaching is putting the emphasis on what you have to do or what Jesus has done. Does it make you introspective, always looking to yourself and how you fared or failed? Or does it turn your eyes away from yourself to look upon Jesus?” (UF, p.148-9)

14.    “Our part in the new covenant of grace is to simply believe!… We are to believe in Jesus!… In the new covenant, there is nothing for us to do but to believe!” (UF, pp.167,169)

15.    “In the end times people will not be anti-God, but they will be anti-Christ… That is why, in these last days, we need more preaching about Jesus, His finished work and the new covenant of His unmerited favor.” (UF, p.170)

16.    “The gospel is simple, and it takes theologians to complicate it.” (UF, p.13)

17.    “God sent His Son to die for you while you were still a sinner. Obviously, He does not love you only when you are perfect in your behavior and thoughts. His love for you is unconditional.” (UF, p.138)

18.    “God will not punish the believer again, not because He has gone soft on sin, but because all our sins have already been punished in the body of Jesus.” (UF, p.151)

19.    “Once you receive Christ, you are standing on favor ground. You are no longer on condemnation ground… In His eyes we are all His favorites.” (UF, p.315)

20.    “People sometimes ask me, ‘Pastor Prince, if you don’t teach the Ten Commandments to your church, what is going to govern them?’ My friend, the Lord Himself will govern them!” (UF, p.37)

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  1. Susan Vivas says:

    Great!!!!

    • Kathleen Lee Pascual Rodriguez says:

      We were in one of his Sunday service before returning back to Oslo…A new Quote from Pt.Prince(March 11,2012):…Call It OSAS (Once saved always saved)…I call it:”The Blood that Speaks of Better Things”(Hebrews 12)……♥

    • Mr Prince is a huge deception. Grace has always been how Christians are saved, this was always the only way. Grace is nothing new. Prince’s teaching that Christians don’t have to follow 10 Commandments is what is sad.
      Simply put: John 14:15 ‘IF you love me, keep my Commandments’.
      Prince is an evil fraud.

      • Anthony, you’d better hope Mr Prince is preaching a true message because if we’re still under law, as you suggest, you have just broken the 8th commandment which is punishable by death (Ex 20:19). You’ve just done one of the six things the Lord hates (Prov 6:19). Jesus is not preaching law-based obedience in John 14:15.

      • Praise the Lord! Brother Paul Ellis truly understand how BADLY we miss the perfection of the 10 commandments and event the over 600 Levitical laws. I would have ZERO hope myself, if I didn’t understand the Gospel of Grace as Paul and Pastor Prince teach it. AND I HAVEN’T EVEN ARRIVED YET! Because MANY DAYS I’m STILL, STUPIDLY, ALLOWING MYSELF TO FALL BACK UNDER THE LAW AND CONDEMANTION AND I’m allowing myself to get into self examination of my performance. And I’m just like Pastor Prince. I believe in right living. But I believe in that right living coming through right believing. Not trying to force this ‘fake right living’ through phony observance of the Law, like many Christians want to do. The Gospel of Grace is so liberating and wonderful, when you understand. It took me many years just to understand the foundational aspects of this wonderful Gospel from Jesus.

      • Hey Brother Hernandez…so you are going to lie to everyone and tell people that you can perfectly keep or have perfectly kept all 10 Commandments? Who can even keep the first one? Who on earth thinks about the Lord 24hrs a day, 7 days a week and every second of every day? Pastor Prince teaches the Gospel of Grace like Paul did. Which is why he gets hammered. People are so self righteous, thinking they can keep every law and ordinance the Lord gives them, that they are so deceived into thinking that the Lord wants a legalistic, law abiding and regulation keeping relation ship. Is that what you want with your own children, Brother Hernandez? Or maybe, just maybe you are still too arrogant, as I once was, that maybe you don’t understand what it means to have the undeserved and unearned favor of God operating in your life? Paul was slammed for how radically he peached the Gospel of Grace. And so is Pastor Prince. I now have close to 300 of Pastor Prince’s sermons. I know what he preaches. I am secure saying that you have never invested the kind of money that I have into Pastor Prince, to determine if he is inconsistent with what he preaches. He most certainly is consistent.

      • Robert Whitfield says:

        That’s fine ….. But make sure you keep them all!

      • He is not evil…Jesus said he that is for me is not against me disciples did not like that other disciples the 70 that when out preaching casting out devils, healing the sick …walking in love fulfill the law we are walking in the finished work of the Lord ..we shall be known by our love

  2. A word for all grace lovers. Beloved, let me ask you?

    Does it take any grace to eat food? Of course not. But it does take a lot of grace to fast.
    Does it take any grace to read to watch TV? Of course not. But it takes grace to spend time in prayer.

    The key to grace is in pleasure. Love for God produces pleasure for the things of God. I fast because God has given me the grace to go deeper in my love with Him. It’s a joy to fast and pray and when I do – my heart opens up to His graces. When I choose to close myself off from prayer and fasting – I am closing myself off from some of the greatest graces God has given me to enjoy him. So then….all grace lovers – let us come to the table of wholeheartedness. That is radical grace – the grace to fully embrace the deeper things of God! Radical grace in the end times will be a grace living with wholeheartedness – with fasting and praying.

    • Excellent my answer to fasting and prayers in the grace gospel.

      • It takes grace to eat, watch tv even sleep. U could be as well blind , maybe then you will cherish the grace to see. Nevertheless .kindly refer to Jenies post on June 7 @1.41 pm , your renewing of mind and edification , control of the flesh. My dear friends his grace is sufficient . To God be the glory , God bless you all in the name of Jesus for the wonderful insight

    • I have not purchased any of Joseph Prince’s books. However, I have read an excerpt online to get a sense of what he is saying about fasting, and I am not comfortable with what I read. I must say that I have been fasting for years and I have seen God move “miraculously” in several situations. I believe that is is an under utilized spiritual weapon that should not be overlooked by the Christian community, or be taught in such a manner that it is “unnecessary”. From what I have read in the review of the book, I am not comfortable with Prince’s teaching on fasting. I have studied fasting in depth in the past. I will continue to fast and prayer, and urge others to do so.

      • savedByGrace says:

        Hi EW,
        Are you suggesting that God moved “miraculously” in several situations because you had been fasting for years? Is it correct for me to say that God could not move “miraculously” if you did not fast? As if to say that God’s action is dependent or controlled by your action? And you want to encourage others to fast and pray so that God can move, shall I say, so much more?
        God has already move! The only action we need to do is to labor to enter His rest – to trust that it is done not because we are faithful but because He is faithful.
        He has given us heaven’s best by sending Jesus Christ for us, there is no reason why He will not freely give us all things (Ro8:32). All we need to do is confess (agree with God) and declare (proclaim) what He has done through the finished work of Christ, whether it is about salvation, health or wealth.

      • Rick Shafer says:

        I just would like to make a brief comment on a couple of others relative to fasting. The only time that Jesus mentions fasting is to exorcize strong demons; I do not read that fasting became, for example, what the Last Supper becoming Holy Communion. Now as to the reply. I take issue with the word “labor”. When you come to Jesus and ACCEPT His Finished Work and make yourself totally available to all that His is committed to be available to you. There is NO labor after the Cross; there is only rest, peace, and the miracle that is Jesus and His now your Father. It is necessary to understand this sentence: all there is of me, cannot do anything. We are dead, on the wrong side of Jordan, on the wrong side of the Cross. But AT the Cross, all there is in Jesus, is constantly, ever more abundantly available to all there is of me as I reckon that all there is of me is alive and moves and has being with Him. I can’t; Jesus says, “you never could”; then Jesus says, “All there is of me is completely available to all there is of you. So you can’t but He can, that’s is really all we need to know. That is right believing and right believing brings right living—NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND!

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Just another comment on fasting to get God’s blessing. Galatians 2, if righteousness (right believing, unmerited favor, healing, blessing, God’s supernatural works) depends on our works (fasting, rubbing beads, holding church suppers), the Christ died in vain (or simple translation: Christ’s death means NOTHING). Now is that the message you are trying to convince everybody? If so, how quickly we are deceived.

      • my understanding of fasting under the new covenant is that it is for our edification and the renewing of our minds… we fast only when we are led to by the Holy Spirit- and by the power of the Holy Spirit…to quiet the cravings of the flesh, so that we are even more dependent on and receptive to the Holy Spirit’s promptings. we fast ‘intuitively’ when we are deeply immersed in the study of God’s Word, in prayer, in worship… fasting as a sacrifice/’work’ cannot earn us a blessing or even defeat the flesh (it only feeds the flesh more!) fasting would have to be the ‘fruit’ of abiding in Christ in order for it to have any power

      • savedByGrace says:

        Hi Rick,
        Heb 4:11 (KJV) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
        Heb 4:11 (NIV) Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Paul
        Do we not have all that Jesus has as a born-again, filled with the Spirit Believer? How can I labor for something I already have? Bible interprets Bible all the time within the correct context and some times audience. Hebrews is to the Hebrews, where striving, laboring, sacrificing, were common and required of their Law; but when God gave the Law to Moses 3000 people died; now comes Jesus bringing Grace and on that day when He speaks of it 3000 are saved. The blood thread of Jesus is found in every book of the OT and can be marked as “dots”; then it is for us to connect the dots. When Jesus was beat beyond a man, He takes my sickness, my diseases–all of which come from the dark side–and by His strips I am healed; Jesus bore all my sins, past, present and future, where God has promised that He cannot remember them. And the ONLY time that Jesus calls the Father, God, is on the cross at the moment God must turn His back on Him and unleash His anger breaking the stone Law and bringing us the New Covenant: the Blood of Christ Himself.

      • Pst. Joseph Prince, never said against fasting, but against self righteousness of using fasting like the pharisees, taking God for a ransom by the fasting, demanding a reward out of fasting, now this is wrong. But if you fast out of the sense of love, that you enjoy it, then it is absolutely fine.

    • Your comment brought me to tears. I have been asking God to lead me into prayer and fasting, but now I see how Grace is the key…thank you for sharing.

    • As long as its a fast and not a hunger strike to get God to do what you want.

  3. I hope Paul will post on what Joseph Prince think of fasting and tithing.
    Very interesting topic.

    • I have not heard JP preach on either of these topics in any depth. Neither fasting nor tithing is discussed in any detail in either of his books (unless I missed something).

  4. Reba Davis says:

    I started watching J. P. early this year (yes, I’m an American), I guess around Feb. and it has changed me SO much! I have been a Christian since I was a child (now 35) and been through tons of Sunday school, sermons, Bible studies, etc., but I NEVER heard the FULL GOSPEL preached until I heard his sermons, which I thank GOD for! (by the way, I have always gone to “full gospel” churches, lol!) I only get him on TBN at 5:30 AM, and I don’t get up that early, but thank God for the cable DVR!!! I have it set to record and just watch them when I can, usually I get to watch one while I’m eating breakfast. I am also glad I can share the complete gospel and grace of God with my kids so that they will be blessed even more than I have been all my life and live free from condemnation and full of the favor of God! He also has some great teaching on other subjects, such as praying in tongues, communion, the power of our words and more… I am not trying to put him on a pedestal, I just thank God for teaching me, but he had to willing to be used and right now he’s my favorite preacher/teacher! I hope and pray our American preachers will also learn to preach grace radically.

  5. Hi Paul! Pastor Prince has done a total of 5 sermons on tithing in the last 10 years and they are available in the online store. As far as I know, Pastor has not yet done a whole sermon on fasting, although he has said time and again to follow the Lord on such matters and if led to do so, go ahead. Link for tithing sermons.

    • Thanks Joshen – I will pass your message onto Ron. PE

    • EXCELLENT! Yeah, a little late to the JP Fall of 2012 party, but have been very interested in hearing Joseph Princes perspective on tithing. Well, perspective…TEACHING! Thanks for this link. Shared it with a friend with who I was just discussing this today, who ALSO feasts on his teaching! ☺

    • Rick Shafer says:

      Prince teaches that the tithe is based on Abraham meeting Melchesadek, who, as a type of Christ, brought wine and bread. Abraham give him a tenth of everything he possessed. Offerings come from either God speaking to you or you decide. Remember, the tithe was given BEFORE the Law. He will also tell you that your tithe belongs to your local church; anything you give to New Creation or JP Ministries are offerings–as Paul carried the offerings of the northern churches when Jerusalem was in trouble.

      • Abram gave no such tithe “of everything he owned.” He gave a tithe on spoils of war in which he gave 90% back to the wicked king of Sodom. Tithing was never about money. Tithing to a ruler or a king was custom during Abrams day, much like paying income taxes is today. He was merely doing what was required according to the custom of the era. Jacob came along and made a vow to God that if God would do certain things, God would be his God and he would give Him the tithe (as opposed to giving it to pagan rulers/kings). When the children of Israel (Jacob) came out of Egypt, God “made good” on the “bargain” Jacob made years before, and made tithing part of the Law. When Jesus came, He declared the “favorable year of the Lord” (the Jubilee) – all debts are forgiven, all things are restored, the captives are set free, and the workers and fields rest from working their crops. Since we are in God’s age of grace (jubilee) there is no tithing in this New Covenant. Hebrews 7 states that Levi had a command under the Law to collect tithes. In vs. 18 it says that the commandment has been made null and void.

        Back to Abram – tithing was not the sign of the covenant, circumcision was. Paul said twice in Galatians the circumcision or uncircumcision MEANS NOTHING in this New Covenant of Grace! The New Covenant began when Jesus died and rose again. Hebrews 12:24 – Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant – nothing else. The mediator of the old covenant – Moses & Levi – are dead. There is no mediator for anything before the New Covenant.

        Paul said in 2 Corinthians that Holy Spirit led giving is what is fully supplying the needs of the saints. (not tithing) Tithing is no longer a law, commandment, expectation, requirement, principle or anything else. It is gone and done away with. Levi is dead. In this New Covenant we are to share all things and there are MANY scriptures which back this up. There are no New Covenant scriptures to back up tithing. There are no scriptures to back up “money” tithing. Tithing was always 10% of crops, herds, and flocks. Why? Because it is what was used for the temple offerings and sacrifices. Levi was allowed to partake of it, as was the widows, orphans and aliens in the land. That’s why Malachi said bring the whole tithing into the storehouse so there will be meat in the house (for sacrifices) and see if God will not open the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing that there will be no more need.

        Friends, Jesus brought that New Covenant blessing into being. He was what was represented by the tithes and sacrifices. He put us in right standing with God, then the Father opened up the windows of heaven and poured out the Holy Spirit by whom we are blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places! Ephesians 1:3 and Titus 3:4-6. Brothers and Sisters, tithing is dead and gone. It had it’s time and place. Let’s move on in the grace of God and show His love by being cheerful, generous givers – led by the Holy Spirit!

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Bruce, I don’t see your post and I am not going back and forth between email and here. Abraham had nothing to do with the Law. When he went after Lot and defeated the kings, the King of Sodom wanted to give all spoils to Abraham but Abraham said no lest you would boost that you made Abraham rich. Abraham did give a tenth of all he owned to Melchizedek when He (for it was Jesus) came bringing bread (I am the bread of life) and wine (my blood I freely shed for your salvation). So just to be blunt: IF you go to church or your get your church off the net or TV; you are just a taker; now if you are not doing any, but you read your Bible daily and pray and ask and seek you have mixed Law and Grace for you are NOT God unto yourself. Paul admonished the Churches for not giving (yes to the poor, Jerusalem, but a worker is worthy of their hire so some how the pastor-teacher gets treasure of some sort to live. No tithe is NOT of the Law never was for it was done BEFORE the Law. Now unless you are a farmer and can bring a bushel of wheat or oats or corn or a pig or a cow to the Church you can sit back, put your feet up, and say See what I did! And I ain’t giving nothin’ back to the ONE Who really gave it to me.

  6. Timothy Yakich says:

    I have been a Christian since October 17, 2009. I am 45 years old (American) and have been listening to Pastor Prince for about 6 weeks now. I have been at peace hearing about the grace of God and how the law and the letter are the devils tool to keep us seperated from God. God is working miracles through Pastor Prince. Hallelujah!! Our sins and the law have been nailed to the cross – we have been redeemed. Amen.

  7. Here is a sermon by Pastor Joseph Prince about tithing: #194 – God’s Best-Kept Secret On Tithing — Can You Take It?

  8. ERNEST BROWN says:

    Hi the servant of the Most High and our Lord Jesus Christ,
    I am a keen listener of your preachings on TBN and appreciate the way you present the good news.Good news is a message of joy and certainty and not of fear and uncertainty.
    On 3/6/2011,I was invited by my daughter to the chuch she attends,and was was thrown into confusion by what occured.It was the holy communium day and the leader of the church quoted 1st corinthians capter 11 from verse 23 to 32 and explained how one should be absolutely holy before partaking the feast.The standard required was so high I doubte if anyone will qualify.I want you to explain the good news associated with this high requirement and the idea of standing in the way of sinners,because if JESUS loves me, why can’t I DINE with him.Please this a very important topic amongst christians and let me know when it would be dicussed so that I would imform stakeholders I know.
    your loving listener.
    ERNEST.

    • Hi Ernest,
      Take a look at the comments under my post entitled Jesus’ Medicine.

    • Joseph Prince also has a very good DVD teaching on the Lord’s supper and several other very interesting suggests.

      I’m American and started listening to him last summer and do so everyday. I only know of one american pastor who teaches the Gospel of Grace on TV and that’s Andrew Wommack.

      • Deborah, I think I’ve seen his ads on TV – where is his church located?

      • Greetings family.Pastor Prince’s teachings on Grace is really refreshing. I’ve also heard Pastor Crefflo Dollar and Bishop T.DJakes preach on the same topic,in a majestical way that makes it sound so clear and simple. I thank the Lord for blessing us with such wonderful teachers of the Gospel. In the end it all boils down to LOVE:-)

      • Hi Oliver.

        I am not trying to “bash” Dr(An Honorary Title not Academically given) Dollar, just questioning this portion of his teaching on the “God Man”, whic a portion is about grace.
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        ” I’m going to to tell you what blasphemy is! When God says you are the righteousness of God and you go around talking about, ‘I’m unworthy.’ That’s blasphemy!…Blasphemy is when you go against what God has said about your true self! OOOOh! We are so unworthy! Shut up with that blasphemy!….You are not a sinner saved by grace. You are sons and daughters of the Most High God! You are gods! You are God’s reflection on this planet. For you to say that thing is for you to count the blood of Jesus worthless. His blood was sent to cleanse you of your sin and you going around saying that you are still a sinner! What’s the matter with you?”

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        I believe we are saved by grace. However, are we sinners saved by grace? Creflo Dollar does not think so. Indeed I have to agree we are “new creatures in Christ” (1 Corinthians 5:17) and thank God for his grace and the perfect work he is doing in us(Philippians 1:6). I John 1:9, Says “If we confess our sins…… This verse I believe is talking about a “relational” type sin which effects our relationship with God not the type of sin That by “grace” was forgiven and “justified” by the blood of Christ.

        Perhaps Creflo Dollar addresses the “You are not a sinner saved by grace” in his teaching on Grace? Hmmmmm…

        Solo Scriptura

        God Bless.

      • julit45 says:

        Also, Pas Creflo Dollar and, now Pas Kenneth Copeland are teaching the New Covenant. I believe Pas Gregory Dickow has got it too. This revelation of TRUTH is spreading like a wildfire – Halleluia!! I used to be a member of the Pentecostal/Full Gospel Religion and was a hell-fire Bible thumper. It took me watching Pas Prince 3 times before I knew he wasn’t a heretic & I started seeing GOD as Good God & that HE Loves me & brings Him pleasure to bless me. I got delivered from the Law Nov. 2011 (Whoo-hoo)
        Then went to Pas Dollars conference in Cincy 2012 and was shocked!!! He got it!!! It was like he was teaching right from Pas Prince’s “Unmerited Favour” book. And I got the CD to prove it =D
        I believe Grace/Love is the spirit of God that is going to be poured out in these ‘last days’.
        So be patient, soon there will be a pastor/church near by you.
        Take care.

      • julit45 says:

        Hi Dano & others.
        Remember tho, Our American preachers, Dollar, Copeland, Dickow, and others, ARE just learning. Just like some of us, we were all about the Law, for y-e-a-r-s, and taught the Law more than once a week. You don’t just know everything about this powerful revelation of Grace and able to convey it immediately. I have seen, personally, Pas Dollar grow in this. AND, He will be the First to tell you he doesn’t know it all & that he goofs sometimes. But AT Least he has the courage to say when he is/was wrong. Actually, anyone that will apologize for teaching us wrong on International TV & at his conference is in my eyes one that has Character/Love. There aren’t hardly any pastors that would jeopardise their ministries or money Like That; and you know that. It shows me that He IS after GOD’s own heart (and so are the others).- just give them some time.

      • thank you for informing me about the preacher boys in America, does my heart proud to hear that they have also GOT THE MESSAGE.
        for many years I listened to these guys, learned a lot, however I knew there was more,
        then came Joseph Prince!
        Louise, Australia.

      • kim arnold says:

        Andrew Farley also has a show on Sunday mornings in the US. He’s going through Romans right now a chapter at a time. You can watch it on livestream at 10:30 am cst. Here’s the link: http://www.churchwithoutreligion.com/home. He also has several books about Grace that are awesome! Between his books, Andre Van Der Merwe, and Paul Ellis, I have learned more about grace in the past year than I ever did going to church.

      • my Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Senior Pastor of World Changers Church International in College Park, Georgia teaches the Gospel of GRACE.

    • Hi Ernest,

      Holy Comm is what Jesus died to give us. Pastor Prince have great messages on the Holy Comm and you should really get your hands on those gold nuggets of truth! Email me if you need them.

      Just know this – when you take the Holy Comm, be mindful that Jesus is your redeemer, He died to give you life and life more abundantly, and that taking the bread is partaking the tree of life! He more than gave you a seat at the table, he gave you Himself, and with this revelation of his grace you will never be afraid to take the Holy Comm again! :)

      • Efren G. Maglonzo says:

        I am very much interested to learn the teaching on communion, but how could i have it?

        Regards

    • Kit Fan says:

      hi Ernest,

      Here is my email, eclecticderby@hotmail.com. Feel free to contact me on email and I can dropbox you the sermons on holy comm, plus many other sermons, which I uploaded for another friend. God bless!!!

      cheers,
      kit fan

  9. i just want to thank God He deserved all the Glory Honor and Praise.
    He used ptr. joseph prince to preached the aboundant Grace of the living God using many illustration to make understand for many filipino here,it is clear for what Jesus Christ has done for us to recieve His promises forever, how long is forever? FOREVER!!!=) hallelujah….

  10. Hey all,

    I am from Singapore, New creation church! Pastor Prince in his 20 years of ministering has only preached on tithing 2 times. I have both sermons and I am willing to share it with anyone who wishes to hear them. Basically, the revelations of tithing is so strong I was blown away by the in-depth analysis of tithing. He did not preach on tithing often because he did not want to bring the church into bondage or thinks that New Creation church is all about money. Just send me an email and i will post the sermons to you. God bless!

    • I would like to have a link to the sermons of JP on tithing but I do not know how to contact you.

      • hi D.

        here’s my email, eclecticderby@gmail.com. Send me an email and I can drop box or yousendit the sermon to you. God bless!

      • Denise Francis says:

        Is there any way to buy Pastor Prince weekly sermons as you all are getting them At New Creation. We are here in American and would like the whole sixty minutes. We are so hungry. Thank you, Denise.

    • Judith Mushonga says:

      Please do send me the teachings on tithing.
      Thank you and God bless.

      • You can buy from New Creation Church.org.sp or from Joseph Prince Ministries.org. You see Prince does NOT take a salary or any money from the Church nor has he for about 8 years now. His weekly DVD sermons are $14.99; some series are CDs for $14.99 up to $99. His DVDs are from 19.95 up to $100. But when you watch his programs at the first and last they will mention a special gift for any amount. We have every one at $5-10 each’ we even have become Partners. Sunday morning at around 11am EST New Creation Comes on for services. Look at his music cds. You will not recognize one song until you reach the old hymns cd. All are written by NCC Worship Pastor and staff and by direct policy from the beginning of NCC, must center on Christ, Grace, Glory to the Father.

    • Hello im from philippines, i want also to hear JP’s preaching about tithing thanks for sharing it..and also if you have series teaching about discipleship..Thanks God Bless!

    • Hi, I’m Sello from South Africa and a very fan of Joseph Prince. I’d also appreciate to listen to those sermons on tithing and anything about fasting. Thank U. Here is my email address:malatsi.sello@gmail.com

    • Randall Alalag says:

      Hi i would like to have Ps JP teaching on Tithing can you send it to me at excell01277@yahoo.com

    • THANK YOU SO MUCH! I’M A BELIEVER IN THE NEW COVENANT TEACHING ON GRACE…I AM VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR THE MESSAGE ON TITHING SO I CAN TEACH IT TO MY CHURCH!

      • peggid says:

        @Jared Garrison – you might be interested in the resources for church leaders that the JP Ministries offer (I think they might even be free). You have to submit an application and references but it looks like a really good program to assist grace pastors. It’s under their Local Church Initiative at: http://www.josephprince.org/lci/

    • harrytombas says:

      hi Kit Fan…may i hv that sermon in tithing pls…i wish to hv it..my email add hytsuel@yahoo.com

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Harry
        Since we have purchased everything on Pastor Prince’s site along with New Creation Church site, I just want to agree with you about tithing. We have Pastor Prince’s Tithing DVDs and as you know they are some years old. Right now, I have been searching your site plus YouTube for a song that the Pastor started to sing at the end of a 3 disk CD–I believe it is on Meditation but now sure. He started “You are the Same, you are the same. You never change……” I do not know the true title but I have found that it is NCC copyright 2006. Any help I would appreciate it; I just must have that song. BTW Harry, your worship songs are so pure and the finest I have ever heard. When “I See Grace” is played from YouTube I just, through the tears, sing along. Thank you and NCC and of course NCC sharing Pastor Prince with me and the world.

    • Hi there, yes PLEASE send me the stuff on tithing, i would love to hear the concept from a Jesus finished works perspective! My email address is max.soutter@gmail.com

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Simply go to JosephPrinceMinistries.org and purchase the DVDs (I think they are $27.99). It is so much more to see and hear. And yes it is nothing you have heard before and yes when I write the check now, it brings chill-bumps and I just smile

      • Tithing for the New Covenant believer? Another thing we must DO to please God? I believe that the New Testament began AFTER the death of Jesus. I can’t find in the New Testament about tithing. The four Gospels have red letterings meaning that Jesus was speaking at the time. So I don’t consider the Gospels to be New Testament. I believe that when Jesus died on the cross He fulfilled the tithing requirement for us. He was lifted up as kind of wave offering. I believe the Old Testament is a shadow of the New Testament. Jesus paid ALL. I believe any giving should be done of free will and not an obligation. For God loves a cheerful giver. I believe that God can sustain a ministry when it’s member’s hearts are filled with gratitude for what Jesus has done for them and the grace of God moving on their hearts to give generously…not of neccessity, but as they purpose in their hearts to give.

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Well think back to the period of Grace with Abraham and Abraham tithing to Melchizedek. Granted OT OK, I suppose all those collections that Paul always talked about were not for money. Didn’t somebody say, “the laborer is worthy of his pay”. I do not tithed out of ritual; I tithe and give offerings with such joy it is unbelievable. For 20 years, I felt exactly like you–essentially you are saying 1. God does not need the money; 2. God will supply money when and where it is needed, and 3. giving is personal and solely whatever the individual decides.
        Now for the big one that you mentioned: The 4 Gospels don’t matter since Jesus had not died and thus are still part of the Law. You just knocked out every quote that Jesus Himself gave (for He always quoted the Prophets), Jesus when asked about the Law told us the purpose of the Law but then He said what the greatest commandment was. Guess that does not matter either since it is in the Gospels. What about Jesus coming in Grace–not as thoroughly discussed as Paul but still there. Does that logical also mean that the Apostles were under the Law? If so, the whole NT is thrown out except for Paul and Luke; oh yes Mark. Look at the healings Jesus performs: 3 of the greatest were to GENTILES something that the Law would never allow.
        The Father nor The Son nor the Holy Spirit ever said that a tenth belongs to them. Abraham tithed where did he get that idea.
        Should you enjoy and learn from Pastor Prince then you well know that he spends FAR more time in the OT than the NT. He spends far more time showing the pictures of the Hebrew letters and words; the tenses of the Greeks verbs.
        Do you not want to participate in the ministry of your church or youth outreach or homeless or prison or overseas ministries? Who pays for that? The tithe and the offerings (by the way, offerings are from the OT too so if you dont tithe, then you cannot by your own logic give offerings.

        But you are absolutely correct in saying the an individual’s heart decides. Now where do we commonly say Jesus lives inside us?

      • The message I heard on tithing by Joseph Prince clearly stated that you should give, whether tithe or offering, only if you have a “revelation” to do so in recognition of giving first fruits back to God; otherwise we tend to think we are earning something. JP also stresses that tithing should be to your local church where you are “fed”. Andrew Wommack adds that if you are not being fed spiritually you should find another church where you will. We’re finding that we can get about 90% of the Gospel of Grace locally, so we still record and watch JP 6 days a week and we’ve purchased a lot material from JP and also from Andrew Wommack. I’m believing God for a local sheperd who has a full revelation of the gospel of grace and who will lift Jesus up in every sermon like JP and AW do!

      • savedByGrace says:

        Hi Peggi,
        You can start by inviting relatives and friends over at your home to watch DVD messages of Pastor Joseph Prince or Andrew Wommack just like when you want to share with them a great movie. When you gather in Jesus’ name (Matt 18:20) He is in your midst. Jesus will call and enable people in your group to become local shepherd, administrator, etc. Later, your group can be registered as a church. Mega churches started as a small bible study group.
        Jesus is raising up a new generation, the Benjamin Generation, that will proclaim Grace to the world and your group can play an active role beginning with your community.

    • kitfan… i want those tithing sermons… email to : revronbrown@gmail.com thanks!

    • Can you send it to me ?? bronson.ioane@gmail.com or send me a link to where I can find it ??

  11. I started attending New Creation Church some 4 months ago.
    It still amazes me and my friends how in the many years we have been ‘schooled’ in Church(es), the simple and clear message of Paul’s radical teaching of Grace over Law eluded us for so long, right under our noses. If you are reading this, chances are you already know that Pastor Joseph Prince sermons can be found on YouTube, FaceBook, iTune, NewCreation.org.sg and JosephPrince.org and of course at New Creation Church, Singapore.

    If you have not read his book, “Destined To Reign”, you should!

    http://escapetoreality.org/2010/03/11/destined-to-reign-by-joseph-prince/

  12. Like others who have posted here, I have been a Christian since I was 17 years old and I have to say that I
    have learned soooooooooo much from the sermons of JP compared to other church pastors that I have attended including one very well known pastor. This isn’t to say that JP has a lock on pastoring but that he presents his case sooooo clearly that the Bible literally (and finally for me) opens up into an understandable and enjoyable text.

    I found this website as I was seeking guidance from JP on fasting. Apparently, he has not provided sermons on the subject in depth but rather suggests that we seek guidance from the Holy Spirit. As such, I will continue my fast that just began today.

    If anyone else finds information on the interpretation of fasting by JP, please respond to me. I’d like to know precisely what JP has to teach about it. I began a fast today merely because I was taught about it by previous church groups.

    ALSO, DOES ANYONE KNOW…. does New Creation Church accept members in the USA as distant, non resident members of the church? Are all 18,000 members of New Creation Church residents of Singapore ?

    • Hi, I am a member for NCC but I don’t think we have members from overseas. however, u can call this ur church if u do listen to our broadcasts and stuff from church. Our church don’t really bother with who want to be part of the church, as long as you do not use our church to endorse any own actions.Some churches have been using NCC and Pastor Prince’s name illegally to push actions and products in their own churches. Of cos that would not be nice as even bad practices are credited to us.

      On a side note, i think that Pastor prince have TV broadcasts in US every day of the week.:) If you want a listen to our church newest album, send me an email. God bless!

      • Hi Kit,

        I may be visiting Singapore soon.
        Is JP all sermons even the old sermons as well as the older books hw wrote are available in NCC bookstore. Thanks. My email: evm456@gmail.com

    • Hi D.,
      You are so right. I have seen similar comments elsewhere in the cyber world that reflected my sentiments exactly. It is like studying the Bible all over again mindful that we are at this side of the cross. I have not come across any JP sermon on fasting, it is not surprising thought; Jesus of course never fast except when He was tempted out in the desert. The 12 disciples never fast when they were in the Lord’s presence and Jesus defended them saying something about being in the presence of the Bridegroom (Mark 2:19). He did however mentioned fasting in a ‘difficult’ situation (the ‘missing’ Mat 17:21), where fasting and praying is placed together and of course it is part of our ‘private’ petition with the Father.

      On tithe you may have seen this on Vimeo “#194 – God’s Best-Kept Secret On Tithing — Can You Take It?”.

      • PTAdam I have tried to watch JP at Vimeo but his videos are make as private and you have to have a password to watch them, I think?

    • savedByGrace says:

      Hi D,
      I found out about this blog a few days ago. Nevertheless, I am sending my delayed reply (almost 1 year)… Regarding FASTING, my question is: “Why do you fast and for what purpose?” In the Bible (2Cor13:5) we are admonished to test ourselves, to see if we are in the faith. It is possible that we are doing things due to teachings we received in the past that is not in line with what the bible teaches. There may be some few things that we do and believe because of the teachings we received in the past.
      Take for example our understanding and practice on prayer: prayer (simply as prayer) and earnest prayer (praying hard). Pastor Prince has a message on prayer taken from the passages in 1Kings18:30~46 and James5:17&18 concerning the prayer of Prophet Elijah. A comparison of these passages will reveal that what we consider as simple prayer, God calls it earnest prayer and what we consider as earnest prayer, God calls it simple prayer… In fact, we do not have to fast to get what we need from God.
      The Father has given us heaven’s best by sending Jesus Christ for us, there is no reason why He will not freely give us all things (Ro 8:32). This means that if God withholds a thing from us: healing, promotion, or a child for the childless couple, these things therefore are of more value than our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself also said that our Father in heaven knows that there are things that we need and has given us all things even before we ask of it (Matt 6:8, 31&32).

  13. I am an American, and absolutely agree that Joseph Prince stands far above the crowds of TV preachers. He stands alone, as far as I am concerned. I attended a church for many years that read a lot of teaching by Watchman Nee and Witness Lee, two very deep Chinese Bible preachers. Until Joseph Prince, I could find no other preachers that I felt could touch their level. As one who is thoroughly familiar with the writings of Witness Lee, I have a strong belief that Joseph Prince has been a reader of his work as well, there are many topics where they have a similar understanding. I have not been able to confirm that, however.

  14. I cannot find a church in San Antonio, Texas that preaches the Gospel of Grace ? Whats Up?

    • I feel your pain brother! I can’t find a church here in Pensacola Florida either that preaches a grace-based message! Now that I have the revelation of God’s grace and being a New Testament believer, I find it very frustrating going to church. Because what is being taught is so law and sin conscious. A then not to mention when it’s tithing time there. They wear poor ol Malachi out!…Will a man rob God?…you know the rest of the story. But anyway, it’s like a don’t want to go to church anymore because of the performance based messages! You know what I’ll do??!! LOL I’m gonna start my own church! LOL…No seriously. I’m reprogramming my mind now and equiping myself with the grace message and it’s truths. Because I know I’m gonna get a LOT of objections and I want to be knowlegeable enough to present to Gospel of grace skilfully! Pray for me!

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Jared and to all who are having to find a church building where Grace is the focus.
        Remember, the “Church” is NOT a building, denomination, site, tent, camp. It is PEOPLE in whom Jesus the Holy Spirit has His residence. In Orlando FL, we have not found such either; while there are a few churches we would attend only one streams 2 Sunday morning services every week; thus we can participate and worship but can also become part of the online ministry of the Church.
        But it only gives a glimpse as to Who God IS and How much He loves us.
        Now I am a Partner level with JPM and have now almost purchased every dvd package (not the single sermons) and music tape offered. Takes awhile to save on a lot of them especially when the crash here left us broke and with only SDI, but in the last 4 years we have missed a tithe, or food or Christmas for our grandchildren. It just “sort of” happens. I rabble.
        Here is what we do: Should Sunday’s message not be what we need nor hunger for nor what the Spirit wants us to hear, we pull out a DVD or CD and just rest while listening. We especially enjoy the messages on Jesus in the OT (Aleph Tav, Hebrew letters). When I studied Hebrews more years ago than Prince has been alive, if they had only realized this I might have taken the 2d semester.
        One more thing: we ALWAYS get the special, usually a CD, each month. We tend to keep the 3 disks on Meditation in the car since in Orlando, to get anywhere alive you drive either back streets or change times due to ever so slow in traffic. Thought Boston and NYC were bad–come to Orlando.
        But give that a try. Then after your family has seen or heard each one at least 3 times, then start inviting friends and neighbors who either don’t have a Savior, or is has never been introduced to Grace (which was my state until 4 years ago). Make it a brunch were you supply the coffee and tea and each brings something. We are finding our conversations after are lasting longer and more are staying.

      • Hi Rick, thank you very much for the encouragement and the godly advice is well taken!…basking in His grace!

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Jared, you may find, as we, that there are some almost a large percent that simply cannot give up the Law. People in the States even march, petition, pass laws to get the Ten Commandments displayed. This is the power of the Law when it captures and chokes you to death. Why not fight for this phrase to be displayed: And the greatest of these is Love. Or even if you “must” have the Law, the post, The greatest commandment is to Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, will all your spirit. But we humans seem to demand something to touch or point to in order to call it “from God”
        Well, point to people like me: never forget the words: November 15, 2004 (notice 4), the doctors, specialists at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, yes the one that takes up several blocks and people from all over the world come to. But on this date, in a room alone with just them, they told that I had 12 maybe 18 MONTHS to live. I had lost 62% capacity in my lungs and the fumes that had been breath would slowly dissolve the rest.
        It has been 8 years now! My wife and I take Holy Communion and she anoints me with oil. As of today, I still live! Of course there are restrictions but they never really started until last year (24/7 oxygen never to go beyond my 75 ft air tubing. But my point is I LIVE not by man, for what really is he, but by the Grace and indwelling of the Holy Spirit of Jesus. And I shall live until that day when I just slip into His arms.

      • Shirley James says:

        I am in Austin, Tx and am having the sam problem. I have been listening to Pastor Prince for almost 3 years and have learned so much about GRACE. I am having a really hard time attending the non-denomination church that is supposedly Grace-based, but is actually a mixture of law and Grace. I have thought of having people over to watch Pastor Prince on dvd with me, but that is not a possibility (sorry, I am unable to explain – but please trust me). Do you know of any church here that preached like Pastor Price? Thanks for a quick reply.

    • Greetings! There is a dynamic and GENUINE Gospel of Grace church in San Antonio, Texas. It is called New Creation Church and is an official member of Joseph Prince Ministries’ LCI (Local Church Initiative). Hope this helps and it works out for you :-)

      • Lori Dillon says:

        This awesome for the people of San Antonio! Do you know if there is anyway to find out if there are any LCI churches in your area?

      • I don’t think JPM lists churches because that could be interpreted as implicit endorsement. See this page for more.

      • Lori Dillon says:

        Thanks. I guess I can see that.
        I DO feel it’s important to belong to a local group of believers. I just think it would be nice to find a church that taught more like this.
        Paul, Do you ever plan to come to the U.S. to teach?

      • Lori, I teach all around the world every day. If I came to the US it would be to show my kids your beautiful country and to meet all the beautiful E2R readers who live there – to break bread, hang out, and meet new friends.

  15. Anonymous says:

    I need some help on the teachings of Joseph Prince. In his book, he explains that our sins are forgiven through Jesus Christ… past, present, and FUTURE…. by grace. Can someone help me understand how the concept of God’s Grace handles suicide among his believers? Has Joseph Prince ever taught a sermon on suicide? Most Christian churches teach that suicide is a sin and that believers risk (or guarantee) hell for that act. Yet, the promise of God’s grace forgives us for all FUTURE sins. So, I don’t understand.

    • Anonymous: I’m going respond to your question with another question and hopefully both our questions will stimulate some dialogue among readers. Why is suicide traditionally viewed as a sin that sends even Christians to hell? What scriptures are used to support this interpretation?

      Incidentally, it was not JP who first said all our sins were forgiven – it was the apostles Paul (Col 2:13), Peter (2 Pe 1:9) and John (1 Jn 2:2), all of whom were no doubt mindful of Jesus’ own prophecy in Mk 3:28. More here and here. But I agree that JP has done a great job reminding us of this wonderful truth.

    • It’s simple really. There is NO unpardonable sin that will indict a believer. No scripture in the Bible ever hints on suicide being an unpardonable sin. We are forgiven for all our sins. If you commit suicide, you will still be in heaven in Jesus’s arm.

      However, you would have completely missed out on God’s plan for your life. all his grace and mercies that are meant for your life are in vain. Maybe you have family members who are to be saved if you did not commit suicide. Maybe you have achievements that bring more people to Christ if you have not died. That is why people who understand grace will never commit suicide. Because they know God’s grace will bring them out of anything. all things work together for our good. I hope this answer your question.:)

      • Kit, thank you for your words! I have a family member who committed suicide (while the balance of his mind was disturbed, as the courts used to say). I have worried and stressed about that for 9 years now!
        Deb

  16. Chris Esters says:

    I was taught that suicide was a sin that was unpardonable because you were unable to repent of it after committing it. It didn’t make too much sense to me then, but it certainly doesn’t make sense now that I have a revelation of God’s Grace and that we are forgiven of all sins: past, present and future. That happened 2000 years ago when Jesus died on the cross. 1 John 1:9 was used as the supporting Scripture. If you believed that you had to repent in order to be forgiven, it still didn’t stand to reason that a person could not repent before taking his last breath.

    Suicide and other sins for that matter can destroy your life. Just like taking drugs can lead to premature death. If you believe in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross and believe that He took on the punishment for all your sins…then its true for every sin…including suicide.

    I may be going a little off topic here but I am drawn to what causes someone to commit suicide in the first place. What causes them to be in such despair and hopelessness that the only answer appears to be to end it all. They must not have known that they were forgiven. They couldn’t possibly have known how much God loves them. Surely they didn’t know they were accepted in the Beloved. What might have been the outcome if they knew of the Grace of God?

    • Anonymous says:

      Chris wrote: “I may be going a little off topic here but I am drawn to what causes someone to commit suicide in the first place. What causes them to be in such despair and hopelessness that the only answer appears to be to end it all.”

      I think you wrote your own answer, Chris. You wrote, “…..what causes someone to commit suicide….” & “… in such despair.” That despair, Chris, is something
      that probably most people do not understand nor ever will while on planet earth. That despair, though, is waking up each and every day of one’s life and feeling lonely, alone, lost, friendless, and cornered in a life made even harsher by events that one cannot control. Whether it is biological or a learned despair, I can only say that you would not understand the emotion by reading about it or talking with people about it. When a person says he looks forward to death, as my best friend says, you know that the emotion is deep within him.

      I might add about my friend: he has prayed for the Lord to rescue him from his stated troubles over many years.

    • Rick Shafer says:

      Chris, what is written after this post “despair” is by far more than I can say. It is so good.
      I want to add something else for perhaps another way to understand: I am manic depressive. Have been since age 6 … I still take medicine and I still get sad. I do not feel sorry for myself nor the limited life I have now. I just look at it now that at long last I can read, watch good DVDs of Bible Studies including Prince, and write. Now I have found you and Paul and savedbygrace and at last I have humans to talk with. For I do not see humans unless I go to the food market once a week. I am tied to a 75 foot air hose that my grandchildren are extra careful with as the oldest as told the next who told the next who told the next that MePaw breathes with that. Chris, you are saying what is the bottomline instead of this rambling: the bottomline is would I have been in Heaven had I fired that gun in 1985? Oh yes, even though I had no seen the inside of a church for 15 years. But Chris, you know what I would have missed? Popcorn!
      Seriously too, my sweet wife who puts up with me since 1989 my special “favor” from the Father and the Son; and I would have missed 4 stair-steps kids who listen to my Uncle Remus, Mark Twain, Neverending Story, and Hinds Feet on High Places stories. They know them all by heart now so a piece of myself is planted as is the seed, even to the 3 yr old, that one day will spring up and see Jesus.
      And I would have missed talking with you Chris.

  17. Hi, Chris. It’s really simple. Christians are dead to the law. The law is what shows us sin. If we are dead to it, we have no relationship to it (if we are dead, you see, just like a dead person in the natural, we aren’t affected by laws). This is one reason sin is not imputed to us. We are dead, and raised with Christ. So, if we have no relation to the law, how would we know about sin, to even repent?

    The God of creation will judge rightly! And He loves to give out blue ribbons – for judging does not have to imply a penalty….and this is good news. Especially for believes. He will not lose any of His sheep.

    Grace to you!
    Pat

  18. If repentance is required, then we are still a works based faith. Scripture shows us that we will all fall short of His glory. It is only through His grace that we are saved. If we accept that suicide is a damning sin, what’s next? Kissing before marriage? What about foul language? The only sin that can damn us to Hell is not accepting Christ as our Savior. Nothing else. I don’t believe we can lose Salvation. That takes away the gift of His grace. I am leading a men’s ministry to show men that we are to grow up and be men out of responsibility, not fear of Hell.

  19. Anonymous says:

    One aspect of suicide as a sin that I always heard was that it was “murder” as in “murder” of self.

    So, this again confuses me as to the concept of God’s grace because if our sins are already forgiven for the FUTURE, that would include someone who engaged in murder or murder of self / suicide.

    In fact, in JP’s book, he states that asking for the forgiveness of sin “cheapens” grace as the forgiveness has already been granted at the cross.

    I cannot understand how someone might murder another and then, without requesting forgiveness in prayer, be granted forgiveness through grace.

    But, my main curiosity was suicide. So, we both have heard it taught that it either is an unpardonable sin due to the victim being unable to request forgiveness or that the act itself is “murder of self.”

    • a person who truly lives in God’s word and God’s grace will NOT commit murder. For law is the strength of sin(1 Cor. 15:56). Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound(Romans 5:20). God went as far as to call the law “ministry of death”(2 Cor. 3:7). Bondage is the result of a wrong relationship to the law. A rebel who hates the law has a wrong relationship to the law. Naturally the law will bind him as a slave to serve sin. The legalist also has a wrong relationship to the law. The doctrine of salvation by means of sincere obedience to the law is the worst kind of antinomianism. The man who holds this doctrine is a debtor, and sin will get permission from the law to stir up all kinds of evil passions in him.

      If a person has the heart to murder another cold-bloodly, he is certainly not under grace. I would doubt that the person even know Jesus, or truly believe, even if he claims so.If you think about it, in the old testament under law, wars were fought and people were murdered. abraham killed and won wars to save his nephew Lot. King David fought wars and possibly killed his fair share as well. Is it an unpardonable sin? For humans, we have every right to jail or execute a murderer, but for God, a murderer who turned to Him for forgiveness, is forgiven based on Jesus’s work. Look at David, he was still under God’s mercies as he turn to the lord.

      I believe you may be taking JP’s comments out of context. What he meant was that there are churches who insist that every sin committed must be confessed before God can forgive you. This is putting people under law because we are forgiven not based on our confessions but based on God’s knowledge of our sins all punished on Jesus’s body. “In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace”(Ephesians 1:6-7).

      Going deeper into the Bible, the word ‘sin’ appears as a noun in the book of Romans at all times. The only time it is a verb is in Romans 6:1 – “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?” – which is spoken by Paul’s critics at that time, not the sin (noun) that Paul was preaching about. The action of ‘sinning’ in verb is what Paul’s critics are accusing Paul of preaching. However, Paul always mention sin as a noun – a singular sin of not accepting and believing Christ, the ONLY sin that Jesus will ever indict the world of. If you failed in this one sin, you failed in all.

      If you look back at Garden of Eden, adam failed in one sin – turning to law, which is typified in the name: Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. adam turned to the law, and not God who is the tree of life. Ultimately, just know that believing Jesus alone is enough. Not our law keeping, not our works.

      The Bible is very consistent in these themes of forgiveness and grace. In stories of the prodigal son, woman in adultery, woman suffering from blood condition, the lepers, Peter rejecting Jesus – none of them kept the law. all failed. But Jesus gave grace to all who believe. “For in the gospel God’s righteousness is being revealed from faith to faith, as it is written, “The righteous will live by faith.” (Romans 1:17) Remember, faith to faith. not faith to works. Not faith to law. Simply faith in Jesus.

      if you want the full sermon on “Dead to Sin” by JP for a fuller understanding, I can pass to you, just email me on lookitfan@gmail.com :)

  20. Anonymous, there is no imputing of sin where there is no law. That ended at the cross. We are forgiven, past, present, and future. All. Period. Transgressions wiped out. With no law to transgress, there is no guilt, no need for further forgiveness. It is finished. We can’t call anything a sin without a law to define it. That’s what grace is.

  21. Debra Baker says:

    I am an American whose life was changed by reading Joseph Prince’s book, Destined to Reign, back in 2007. I thank God for his gift! The revelation of God’s grace and love for us IS the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Joseph Prince presents it better than anyone I know. Thank you for your posts on Joseph Prince. I’ve shared them on fb. Blessings, Debra Baker

  22. yes I need.
    thanks

    • hi ernest, please give me your email address, or I cannot add you to the dropbox folder containing the sermons. :)

  23. thank you all for the responses that you left. a dear friend’s husband we believed committed suicide on thursday. and i was at a loss for words. i searched and found this page. you all have changed my outlook on the taking of ones own life. i now have a peace that i can share. thank you so much.

  24. Joseph Prince is just continuing the work of Paul, and Grace is Amazing!

  25. Please explain about a believer who commits suicide and where he goes. I can’t understand this.God said do not kill, and why do say he or she will go to heaven.

  26. Please help me, sometimes I see vision and im awake..im not dreaming..
    thanks.
    Grace

  27. How would you they know if they really receive the true Jesus, the Lord and Savior..thank you

  28. I would like to know if a christian go to heaven when he dies, tho he don’t tithes, he don’t go to church but prays and read the bible.Pls explain, thanks.

    • Paul Ellis says:
    • Kit fan says:

      A Christian goes to heaven not based on his tithes, not based on his works, not even based on his reading of the bible. Simply call to the lord and you shall be saved.

      That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9. it is very simple.

  29. I hope you are teaching the right, about a chrisitan committing suicide and going to heaven. What about Judas? He was so sorry and still went to hell…He is a believer of Jesus…pls explain.

    • I won’t pass judgment on Judas or anyone for that matter. But I’m not at all certain that Judas had a revelation Jesus died on the cross to redeem him. Why not? (a) It hadn’t happened yet and (b) Judas’s actions are entirely inconsistent.

    • Kit fan says:

      Let’s rightly divide the word. 1) When Judas committed suicide, Jesus has not died for all our sins. It was before the cross. His pride, that he couldnt forgive himself, cost him to kill himself before Jesus’s death could have redeemed him. Moreover, the very fact he killed himself shows his lack of revelation, that Jesus has forgiven his sin. He did not have the faith.

      2) He never believe that Jesus was the son of God, because in the last supper, while the other disciplines called Jesus “Lord, who shall betray you?”, only Judas said “Rabbi, who shall betray you?”. To Judas, Jesus is just a rabbi, a teacher, not the LORD. There are many who believe in Jesus in this world – that he is an example to follow, that he is a historical figure, that he shaped religion, that he is a teacher – but none of them believe he is God. Praise the Lord that the fullest of his power is in the church, that is us, and we know him as our Lord and saviour.

      I hope this answer your question. =)

      • Thanks Kit – I had forgotten about the Last Supper.

      • Last supper… everyone got wet, including Judas. Jesus knew JI would betray but still washed his feet. Even told Peter ‘unless I wash you, you will have no part in me, [though] you are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.’ (Jn 13:8, 15:3)
        Much as God sent Jesus–his ‘love gift’ for salvation–only those who believe will have eternal life. Judas simply didn’t accept the word which could save him. (Jas 1:21)

      • Louise de Martin says:

        Thanks Kit,
        You explain Chris’s question very well to me
        Louise

    • Rick Shafer says:

      At the time of the suicide of Judas, Jesus had not yet been crucified THEREFORE the New Covenant of Blood and Grace had been given.
      And therefore since the New Covenant had not yet been given, JUDAS WAS STILL UNDER THE LAW!

    • NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! (Gerry’s right, though) Salvation is NOT based on when a person lived with respect to when Christ died! God revealed the gospel of grace to everyone, including to Adam and Eve. Salvation is based on trusting in one’s heart (and not just in one’s mind) the Covenant of Love (Grace) that Jesus completely fulfilled: “He is good; His love endures forever!” This amazing promise of grace, this seed, this Word, must come alive in your heart – be born in you…in order for you to be born again. And for that to happen, the soil must be right (broken) and the seed must be pure (good) and usually the seed must come repeatedly (be sewn/confessed, Romans 10:17,10:9-11). Don’t y’all even know what His name of “LORD” means? Anyone who placed/places their faith in The Promise of LORD, their faith was/is in God’s Grace, in Jesus alone (e.g. Psalm 136).

      • Rick Shafer says:

        If Judas “went to heaven” after he fell into the poor man’s burial area and split open, then why did Jesus say not only did He know who the traitor was but “it would have better, if he (Judas) had never been born!.
        Now if that is not condemnation (from which we, the Believer, have no more) spoken by Christ Himself, I most certainly do not want to hear the Father on Judgement Day when all stand before Him and basically, I think, asks only one question: What did you do with My Beloved Son, Jesus Christ?” People may have excuses, a long list of charity, high recommendations from every religious leader on the planet, BUT if he has NOT Grace, if he has not Jesus in residence; The Father will simply say, Depart from me for I never knew you”.
        And in short, Judas is dead and the Believer will never see him.

      • Rick, I was not judging Judas’ salvation (I hope his spiritual state is obvious to all!). My point is that Grace is not bound by time or anything else. Otherwise, Abraham, David, the prophets, etc. could not be saved, and yet according to the New testament, we know they are.

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Yes Cart I completely agreed with and understood your post. I sort of, just for my fun with the Bible, divide it into 4 Covenants: Creation/Garden (God Himself), Abraham (Grace “shadowed”? maybe), The Law (Death and Loss), Grace. Only God the Great 3-in-1 knows the time in between or how long each lasted until The Son of God stood up from the throne and came bringing Grace and the final, forever Covenant.

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Carl, I just read you reply July 11. Cannot imagine how I missed it because I usually answer all replies. I totally agree with you July 11, completely without question. I have said as much in 2 other replies tonight.
        The first word in the Hebrew Bible is Elohim, the Great 3in1 God. Yes GRACE has been going a long time now:Adam, Abram, Sarai, Job, Jabez, Ruth (the alien unclean), Rahab (the whore) Esther, Boaz, David, The Roman Commander, the woman at the well during the day (another “that kind of woman”), the thief at the Cross. To me, the only difference is that GRACE is now magnified, spread throughout the world for all to take. Each time, in each place in each person before the CROSS GRACE was individually given or mind-meld Mr. Spock–very poor example there sorry. And yet in each and every person in the OT who received GRACE, acted EXACTLY like we do today and WE have the advantage of looking back, the advantage of the whole Word; they but hoped; and each did some bad stuff; but each had to come back to the Father and humble himself with tears. David lost a son and another became a Rebel. Yet he sang for the Father and the Son and the Spirit.
        Oh yes, GRACE has been here all the time; it is only now that GRACE is finally being exploded to God’s Church and the Bride of Christ!

  30. Also, the Holy spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified (Jn 7:39, Jn 20:20-22 = Gen 2:7).

  31. My friend is a 30 years born again he is filled with the Holy spirit but from the time he followed Joseph Prince he changed, he was unfaithful to his wife, he lies, he is now foul mouthed and lives in sin, lust of the eyes, mind, porno.So I ask now if the teaching of Joseph Prince license to sin..God bless

    • i DON’T BELIEVE YOU.

    • savedByGrace says:

      Hi Shakster and deb,
      At the outset, I was appalled by your posts. If indeed your friends followed Pastor Joseph Prince and his teachings, I think your friends took a wrong turn at some intersection and did not follow Pastor Prince all the way. Pator Prince is not known to be unfaithful to his wife, Wendy. He is not known to lie, not foul mouthed, (whether he lives in sin, have lust of the eyes / mind – only God knows, although his fruits would surely reveal those things that are hidden and I am happy to say that his fruits are good and confirmed by worldwide following) and not known to watch porno. He remains humble while he is now famous worldwide…
      1) Falling into sin does not mean living in sin. A person may sin but is not a sinner. He is a sinner because of Adam “that by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners (Ro 5:19)”. A person drives but he is not a driver. However, there are those who work as drivers. Your friends can be considered as drivers (sinners) and do not only drive (commit sin). Driving (sinning) is their occupation. Their sinning negates the redemptive work of Christ “that by one man’s obedience many were made righteous (Ro5:19)”.
      2) For your friends to be sinning but they claim to be under grace is absurd. If a person is under grace, sin has no dominion over him (Ro6:14). This means that if one is in or worse, living in sin, he is not under grace but under the law and his claim of being under grace is just another lie. For one in sin, another lie does not hurt. Jesus said that the devil is a liar and the father of lies (Jn8:44). In fact, the sinning person is not under grace but under law. The bible declares that the sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law (1Cor15:56).

      • Rick Shafer says:

        AMEN! HALLELUJAH! savedbyGrace you are so good, so right; this was great to read. I am sorry to say “shakster” your friend and his girl simply have never met Jesus; have never accepted Him. Such deception is almost beyond what the World and especially the States are going through right now.
        “savedbyGrace”, I truly, fully believe that last year, the Pale Horse started to ride; this year, the Black Horse IS riding; famine, water wars are coming; lift up your heads oh ye gates, and the King of Glory shall come in! The time is so near. Watch the Horses; understand what each brings; in short, watch the news.

  32. I hope the preaching of Joseph Prince will not lead others or license to sins. My friend is a christian for several years, a good one. But when he followed the teaching of Joseph Prince he changed and was so happy enjoying his life into a sinful life. He is now into lies, lust of the eyes, sexual lust, pride and foulmouthed..Hope it will not lead more people to sin please.

    • The Preaching of Prince is the Preaching of Paul. DEB I think you are really an old man-pharisee that is just jealous of the favor that Joseph Prince has on himself from God. The Pharisees would hide behind a name like “deb”.

      The Grace of God is the Truth of the Gospel and His name is Jesus.

      • Hi I do agree with the comment make by Shakster. Yes God’s Grace is above all! God’s Grace covers all but does not cover up! Let me quote one real incident. My husband and his adulterer is now attending NCC. We are still married and he committed adultery without guilt and quoted God’s Grace is above all! does that mean that God understand he needs a new love? and God’s Grace will cover all these? then why did the bible in Matthew talk about sin in adultery? Why Revelation talk about Judgement Day? for the prebelievers? read again Word of God meant also the believers who sin..

        God’s Grace give us the empowerment not to sin but many were misled into giving excuses for their sin and have no guilt over their sin. Many only want to hear what they want to hear that is ok God will understand I need this….I suggest that we should also get back to the basic which is the word of God. Preacher might be preaching unbalance sermon..

        May the Spirit of God bring convictions in all areas of every believers lives. When there is no convictions that is the danger we are into..We dont just hear about Heaven but there is also Judgement Day which is many will be sent to Hell! in the Bible it does not always talk about Helleaven but balance with Hell..so preach a balance sermon if not many will misinterpret and take God’s Grace for granted which lead to perverted Grace. Why always quote “other churches….” it sounds like always pointing at others instead of “I” for preaching wrong messages..

      • Joseph Prince and Andrew Wommack both have said that if a person is continually sinning in the ways that you have suggested then they were never truly saved to start with. If this person was not sinning before maybe they were only being good because they were afraid of God punishing them NOT because they knew that Jesus loves them and they want to have a close relationship with Him.”

        And CHARLES My name is Deb (not the deb in the other post) but I am certainly not a Pharisee. Deb is short for Deborah, like Deborah in the old testament.
        Peace

  33. Please explain, why christian are forgiven if he sinned but not repented. Thank you, God bless you.

  34. I have been listening to Joseph Prince for about four years now. It all started early one morning when I couldn’t find my remote to change the channel. As I was searching he was teaching of the Ark of the Covenant. After that I started waking up JUST so I could hear his teachings. I have now read, listened and watched many teachings from Pastor Prince and all I can tell you really is that once I was blind but now I see… I can’t stop seeing Jesus in everything around me. THIS does NOT make me want to sin. I fill so full of His love and UNmerited favor that it just produces in me such an overflow that I want to share that. NOT do wrong.
    NOW I can LOVE… Because I am LOVED. I can FORGIVE… Because I am FORGIVEN…
    I feel each day holds something more that I can discover about my Savior. THIS does not make me want to do wrong but to know more of Him and walk and grow in Him. I know it wasn’t a Christian song but sometimes I think of the song that went … TO KNOW KNOW KNOW HIM IS TO LOVE LOVE LOVE HIM… I’m able to love because HE FIRST LOVED ME!!

  35. Hi Paul, Im a christian and my husband for 20 years. My husband is a good reader of the bible and listens to many preaching tape. How can i share the word of God to him,coz he thinks he has more wisdom than me. I found out that he had many relationship to married women, some of them talk to me.How would i know if he really receive Jesus if he continues sinning,

  36. God bless you Cathy, listen to Joseph Prince teaching..

  37. Anthony B. says:

    Obviously God created woman for a reason. To think that any man would make that statement when He’s married is funny. I would say as in genesis that when a man and woman become one his wisdom increases since he has a partner to help him now who is made in the image and wisdom of God. I’m not even married yet but I would say (actually in Christ I am his bride) wisdom is added to you just like when you are married to Christ he is all these things (1 Cor 1:30). Sometimes Abraham should listen to his wife lol (Gen 21:9-12).

    Listen to Joseph Prince Teachings, there’s much wisdom involved in his ministry.

  38. Miss Cathy situation right now is like my true life. My husband is so unfaithful to me altho he claim he is born again. He is not only unfaithful but also not honest to me. Ever since i never know his wages and benefits. I asked him several times but he got mad, so i just let him believe its okey to me. I see him watching porno and have relationship to other married women. He dont want me to meet his friends. He knows well the word of God. I really dont understand this anymore. I prayed for him daily, that one day he repent of what he is doing. Hope someone will answer me.

    • Hello Anne my name is Jared and I think I might qualify to answer your question because at one time in my life I was “your husband”. I had the same struggles. My advice to you is simple. Let God be the best at what He does…and that is BEING GOD! You have no control over your husband’s behavior. By you being a BELIEVER (not saying your husband is not), BELIEVE in Jesus’ unmerited favor for your husband to fall in love with Jesus. Then patiently wait!

  39. If you love God you will not obey his word, doer of His word is a true worshiper of Jesus. I think this husband claiming he is born again but still has appetites for lust is not true born again. Its so easy to say you are born again or you know the word, satan knows the bible.

  40. I want to know if there is available CD of Joseph Prince teaching about how a husband must treat his wife, the same as for wife, and also children. I have been searching on you tube and sermons……..thanks……

    • Dear Lorie, you should probably contact Joseph Prince Ministries.

    • Rick Shafer says:

      Yes there is a DVD package on Marriage and also one for Singles. go to http://www.josephprince.org either will take you there. I have also found some on eBay (more expensive than Prince site; and Amazon (some times less expensive). Here is the Teaching:
      Christ Is The Center Of Happy Marriages (DVD Album—NTSC)

      God designed marriage and the family unit to be a blessing and this is still His priority! In this four-DVD album, Joseph Prince shares refreshing, yet practical Scriptural truths that will help build solid, happy marriages and families established on the grace of God. Begin to enjoy greater blessings in your family life as you discover liberating truths from God’s Word about how you can enjoy days of heaven on earth with your loved ones. You’ll also fall in love with the Lord all over again as you see how God’s plan for a happy marriage mirrors the exceeding love Jesus has for you—His church and bride.

  41. It is October 26, 2011 as I write this. For some of the comments left on here I would say going today and the next few days to http://www.josephprince.org and clicking on the video that he has on there right now would be very helpful to some. There is also a place on his website where you can find other resources as well. Just thought that might help.

  42. HAHA… Well, where I AM it is October 26, 2011 @11:59… = D

  43. I think not everybody understand what J Prince is preaching. Some may love his teaching in order to continue the dictates of the flesh.Let me remind you guys accdg to Luke 10:42 one thing is NEEDFUL, the enemy of our soul is the master of distraction and of complexity, and the author of confusion.REPENT means, CHANGE your mind, renew your mind, turn around dont live with the standard of this world. Im sad that my group in our bible studies DONT understand what Joseph Prince is teaching, they are so happy cause they continue to sin and follow the dictates of their flesh, sexual lust.

  44. Just searching the internet and found this blog.I belong to a word of faith church which teaches balance.In listening to Joseph Prince I did find a freedom.I was always afraid I was missing it somehow.So to make a long story short my husband got cancer I believed God for his healing and after 2 years he passed.:( I am so confused now and having a extremely hard time with this I cant read or pray if I read the word I start crying because I see all that I stood on.I dont know how to get to the next place.I didnt just get on the faith bus either.I have had success before in believing.Any suggestions? I feel as if I am in limbo here.I will also lose my home since we had no life insurance to cover us.If anyone has a reply it would be much appreciated.

    • Dear Sandy, I am deeply sorry for your loss. Sadly, I know only One person who had 100% success rate praying for the sick and it’s not me. I too have lost loved ones to cancer. I have friends with long track records of amazing healing miracles who have also lost family to cancer and other diseases. I know people who have raised the dead who have lost loved ones. The fact is we’re not winning all the battles even though, in Christ, we have won the war. Please don’t feel any pressure to move on as though you have to rise up and shine. There is a time for grieving. Jesus wept. He is Lord in your time of limbo. Feel free to dump all your thoughts and feelings on Him. If you’re angry and upset , tell Him. He is your loving Father and He can take it. We live in the valley of the shadow of death but He is here with us to comfort us.

    • Do you take credit when someone is healed when you pray for them and they are healed?

      • Thanks for your comment Charles.Of course we don”t.Well we aren’t suppose to.LOL. Quess it’s just the fact you fight for 2 yrs.and get zip.Not a very good loser I suppose.Blessing to you and yours.

    • Thank you for your quick reply.I am enjoying your site.Lots to explore on here.I know I will get through this.It’s a process.Just trusting the Lord to take care of me.Your word was very comforting and we are all still learning.May you continue in your knowlege of Him.You have a gift and may it be used for His glory.Blessings to you and your family.Enjoy every moment with them.Thank you again.

  45. Hello im working in Saudi and i have many friends who tries to share the bible to us. I believe the word but what makes me sad is that this guys who share to us is so full of pride, and has relationship with women here in saudi.We know he is married but he takes home women to his flat. How can we ask him if he is just using the word to us just to make believe he has revelation from God and he is special person.Im confuse cause many share the word but you cant see nor feel the presence of God in their life.I need to hear how long will a person change from the start he is reading the bible.

    • Phillip J. Wishon says:

      Lets not get the cart before the horse. It has always been repentance then Grace. And Grace is not a license to sin. Thank God Grace covers all our sin after we repent and accept Christ and His blood as the covering for our sin. I didn’t become perfect in this flesh and I still struggle everyday with the flesh but I am saved. In closing Jesus told The Laodicea church age which represents our age(Rev. 3:14-22) As many as I love I

      rebuke and chasten be zealous therefore and repent. P.S

      • Hi Phillip,

        I think you have written in err. It’s always grace THEN repentance. Look at Peter, he confess to Jesus, “Depart from me, I am a sinful man” AFTER Jesus gave him a boat sinking load of fishes.

        Look at the prodigal son, he wanted to go back to the father because he felt that even the servants “have food and clothes to spare” and that he “wants to earn his keep”. It’s not true repentance. However, when the son was still FAR OFF, the grace of the father RAN and KISS the boy. Again, grace before repentance.

        Look at the rule young ruler vs Zacchaeus. The ruler boasted in his law keeping, but when Jesus gave him the law, he couldn’t even give up one cent. Look at Zacchaeus, Jesus gave no law, but DINE at his house. Only grace was given. By the end of the meal, Zacchaeus repented. Again, Jesus gave him grace to dine with him BEFORE he repented.

        The lady with 6 men in her life, came to Jesus by the well. She didn’t repent, she simply talked to Jesus and Jesus gave her GRACE by imparting to her. After the grace was given, she ran off and glorfied Jesus’ name around the town, no longer condemned by her past. Again, grace before repentance.

        Look at the woman caught in adultery, Jesus said: “Is there NO ONE who condemns you?” She said “No man.” Then Jesus said: “Neither do I condemn you, GO and sin no more.”
        The church got it in reverse: Pastors say “I give you forgivenenss and grace after you sin no more”. Jesus on the other hand, gave GRACE and forgiveness BEFORE true repentance happens. He gave grace and that EMPOWERS the woman to repent and sin no more.

        We must know our recieving of grace is not dependent on our repentance but dependent on HIS goodness and grace that transform us as we behold his glory. Remeber, only grace can change sinful men into the image of Jesus, simply by us beholding his glory.

      • The goodness of God leads to repentance (Rom 2:4), not the other way around. Faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin. Faith (or repentance) doesn’t move God to forgive us. Faith is always a positive response to something God has done. Jesus said “repent and believe the good news.” If you are an unbeliever, you cannot become a believer without first changing your mind. Repentance, by definition, is a change of mind. Regarding what Jesus said to the Laodiceans, please see my post here.

  46. Ed Vergara says:

    I like what you said Mr Philip j Wishon, repentance then grace. Grace is not license to sin.You will not help others to go to God’s abode you are just tolerating sinners to SIN. Im working in Saudi and i know many women and men attending fellowship but still living in this flesh, how could you help them if you preach them its okay to sin they are under grace.Jesus said stop sinning.

    • Hi Ed,

      You asked: “how could you help them if you preach them its okay to sin they are under grace.Jesus said stop sinning.”

      Firstly, preaching grace is not saying – “It’s ok to sin”. That’s the problem. People think grace means you giving people liscence to sin. However, that is far from the truth.

      Let me tell you how to stop people from sinning. Read this verse – “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.” 6:14 Romans

      Think about it, is preaching grace, like you said, telling people to sin? of cos not. Preaching grace empowers people to sin NO MORE. Until we realized the power of god’s grace over all sin, we will never overcome sin.

      Grace is not saying sin is good. Grace is saying – God hates sin but God love the sinner. So God send his son to die for our sins. Now you are forever clean and righteous apart from your works. Simply by knowing your place in God’s love empowers you to sin no more.

  47. Phillip J. Wishonpp says:

    Paul, is J.P. preaching that a person can come to Christ without repentance and he or she can continue to live in adultery, fornication, sodomy, drunkard, lying, stealing etc, without ever repenting. I believe that once a person has truly trusted Christ as their Savour they are forgiven and given eternal life. But The Bible does not teach that we can live like dogs and wallow like hogs after we are saved. The prodigal son repented and we don’t read of his return to the hog pen.

    • There are two separate issues here: (1) What is repentance? (2) What empowers me to overcome sin? The answers are (1) a change of mind and (2) grace alone. I agree with JP’s view that what this world does not need is more preaching on repentance. Preaching on repentance doesn’t lead to repentance. If I told you, “Phillip, change your mind! Come on, change your mind!” you would be confused. “Change my mind in regard to what?” In the old covenant people turned from sin. That’s one kind of repentance but it certainly won’t save you. The Pharisees turned from sin to religious pride and Jesus called them sons of hell. I have more than 250 words to say so I might write a post about this.

    • I don’t think you understand what ‘repentance’ means in your ENGLISH Bible translation, which is not inspired. In fact, where that word REPENTANCE comes from in the original Greek text is called metanoia in the Greek. In other words, you’ve been taught that ‘repentance’ is a work or some kind of physical expression to suggest that you ‘feel sorry’ for what you’ve done wrong.

      However, the Greek word metanoia means, ‘to change your mind.’ If you can ‘repent’ or in the case of how you are presenting it here…if you can change your WRONG behavior, then you don’t need Jesus at all. If in your own strengths and ability and efforts, you can rid your life of ‘wrong behavior’ then there is no purpose for Jesus’ death.

      In fact, that’s PURE self righteousness right there. Where pastor prince differs from other preachers…like Paul..is that at the core of wrong behavior in the life of a believer is a wrong belief or believing that your sins are still held against you or that the Lord condemns you with every ‘fresh new sin’ in the NOW that was already punished over 200 years ago.

      The Lord is not impressed with your wallowing and woe is me attitude when a new sin is committed. And unfortunately, many people do not understand where the WORD REPENT, in your English translated Bible, comes from. Its the original Hebrew & Greek texts that are inspired. Not our English or any other language translation editions that are inspired.

  48. the bible says shall we continue in sin that grace may abound,nay God forbid.why should we appear before the throne of grace,so we can obtain mercy to cleanse us from our sins and so we can find grace to help us in the time of need.

    • Phillip J. Wishonpp says:

      It is more than changing my mind, it is turning from my sin to God. Read Hebrews 12. If you can continue to wallow in sin, the Bible says you are bastards and not sons.That means you are illegitimate. When my earthly father whooped me I said I am sorry daddy.

      • So you think that because your natural father beat you that God will beat you? And anyone who isn’t beaten isn’t a son? That’s a truly perverse interpretation of Heb 12:7 – “If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?” I hate to think of the damage that’s done to some Christians. Chastening means “child training” not whooping. It’s the same word translated as “instruction” in 2 Tim 3:16.

  49. Hebrews 4 :16 has nothing to do with cleansing of sin, lets keep it context please. I can show you a similar verse though.

    Hebrews 10:17-19
    Weymouth New Testament (V.17)

    18) He adds, “And their sins and offences I will remember no longer.”
    17) But where these have been forgiven no further offering for sin is required.

    GOD’S WORD® Translation
    19) Brothers and sisters, because of the blood of Jesus we can now confidently go into the holy place

  50. Your sins are a done deal beloved!! Jesus cried out “It is finished” in His last moments on the cross. The writers of the original Greek text used the word ‘tetelestai’ which, interestingly, in their day, was used as an accounting term which would have been marked on invoices, meaning, literally, “paid in full”, i.e., account reconciled, debt paid, or cancelled.The Lord is a debtor to no one, and trust me he pays in full. I’ve never heard of a broke King, and he is King of kings beloved. Our fathers perfect payment was His Son Jesus Christ, and Our father doesn’t pay half way.

    GOD’S WORD® Translation (Rom 6:23): “The payment for sin is death, but the gift that God freely gives is everlasting life found in Christ Jesus our Lord.” The gift can be given because he paid in full, similar to when someone buys their children a gift from a toy store. If they try to leave without full payment it’s considered stealing.

    New Living Translation (John 10:10): “The thief’s purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life.” He gave His life as a ransom for all, and a ransom paid in full (Mark 10:45).

  51. M. Abrera of Saudi says:

    Hi Mr Philip J. Wishon, please write more about what you know cause i’m not good enough on verses but this verse in hebrew 12:9-11 is an example of God dont like us to sin, He discipline us.in verse 6 For the Lord corects and disciplines everyone WHOM HE LOVES, and punishes, even scourges, every son whom HE ACCEPTS and welcomes to His heart and cherishes.Now friends, I know someone in our office who is born again, he loves to share the word of God but he is still in flesh, maybe the reason is that he “dont want to be judged of what he is doing”. Now ot others, I think its hard for them to love the word “IF” they knew that God hates sin..I know Joseph Prince is not like the others WHO LOVES to continue sinning.Hoping not many, many people who are living in flesh will go saying “hey God is good lets LOVE the world of flesh. I invite you to Saudi, and you will see many families are destroyed because of the sin of lust of the flesh.

    • Check out the greek word for chastening and scourges. It’s certainly not “Beating” us with diseases, or punishing us bodily. It’s more of training us.

      Watch this! Pastor Prince points out in the original greek on God’s love for us. On this scripture.

  52. Rev 2:5Remember then from what heights you have fallen.REPENT and do the works you did previously or Else I will visit you and Remove your lampstand from its place, unless you change your mind and Repent. Rev 2:16Repent or else I will come to you quickly and fight against them with sword of My mouth.Rev 2:20 But I have this against you, that you TOLERATE the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a phrophetess and who is Teching and leading my servants and beguiling them into PRACTISINg sexual vice and eating food sacrificed to idols.Rev 2:21 I gave her time to REPENT, BUT she has NO desire to repent of her immorallity and refuses to do so. Take note, I will throw her on a bed of anquish and those who commit adultery with her I will bring down to pressing distress and severe affliction, unless THEY TURN AWAY their minds from conduct hers and REPENT OF THEIR DOINGS…hey guys why do say we dont need to repent, i dont understand you guys.

    • Please limit the comments on this thread to the post above (i.e., Joseph Prince). These comments are better suited to my posts on the Church at Ephesus and the Church in Thyatira.

    • The lampstands are actually the POSITIONAL power of the 7 churches. If you read it in context, God called the 7 churches “The 7 lampstand”. If you interprete the scripture carefully, God is not talking about removing the person’s salvation, but the person’s church because he is not repenting.

      The most important thing to note is how God INTERPRETE repenting in this context:

      Rev 2:4 – But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first.

      The word love here is agape, which is GOD’s Love for us, not our love for God. So in full context:

      Revelation 2:1-7
      But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. …

      God is saying: Why have you forgotten God’s love for you which was given at first? Repent now, return your church to my love again, or I will remove your lampstand (your church).

      Praise the Lord, how much He loves His people that he will stop a church if the love of God is not manifested in the teachings. It’s a beauty to behold. REPENT as in how God wants you to repent – turn back to his LOVE!

      The scripoture got nothing to do with sin. However, when you turn back to is agape, sin shall certainly have no power over you. You wont be sinning if you are so occupied loving Jesus!

  53. Paul, God is love, God is so good, but i really dont get why its hard for you to teach that we need to be sorry of the wrong doings we do to our dear Lord Jesus. If you continue teaching that we need not repent what will happen to us all.

    • I am not sure why you think I am preaching against repentance. I have not said any such thing. In fact, everything on this blog is written in the hope that people will repent, i.e., change their minds about the goodness of God. Please understand though that repentance is not “turning from sin.” This is an old covenant interpretation that promotes fleshly works. If you would like to discuss this further, or if you have questions, please comment under my recent post on Repentance.

  54. I agree…..when you listen to the message of grace, you are already repenting as you change your mind. that’s the true meaning of repentance.

  55. I agree with Joseph Prince ,but how can he preach Grace and not teach salvation without works,such as tithing ,that was law Galatians 5:9 a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. this is not out of context because ,Galatians 5:4 says if we are justified by the law we have fallen from Grace. Please give up the… money God… your to close to the truth.

  56. Natalie says:

    To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite. To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one’s mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior. To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one’s sins. To feel regret or self-reproach for: repent one’s sins. To cause to feel remorse or regret. These are dictionary definitions for the word REPENT.

    “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That was how Jesus taught us to pray. And let’s face it, that’s not a once off prayer – and we all have wrong thoughts and wrong attitudes on a daily basis – no matter how much we love the Lord. And it seems to me by the way Jesus taught his diciples and us to pray, that we are to repent as often as we sin.

    I really love you Joseph Prince, and I believe you truly love the Lord, but I think one should be careful with those who are infants in our faith that they should not be lead astray by thinking that you can continue to live a life of sin, and that there will be no consequences for it. God is no man’s fool, and it is wonderful that he is a God of grace, but let us never forget that he is also a God of terrible wrath. He is the God of Blessing and Curse – yes even in the New Testiment.

    • Dear Natalie, I’m not sure why you feel the need to give us an English lesson so I’m guessing you have some problem with JP’s preaching on repentance. Might I remind you that Jesus did not preach in English and that the dictionary definition above is unlike the word the Bible actually uses. Repentance is not remorse. Consider Peter and Judas – they both betrayed Jesus. Peter repented but Judas had remorse and that made all the difference. In another post I explain why repentance is like football (it means different things to different people) and in another I give a picture of repentance. And if you are wondering why Jesus preached conditional forgiveness before the cross but then proclaimed forgiveness as a free give after the cross, you might want to take a look at this simple graphic. God bless.

      • Paul, please indulge me briefly, I know you know this just from your above post but it really is your fault that I want to post this. You brought up Judas and this was something I having been wanting to look at. So this post is for others who may be interested and reenforces your statement. The Bible says Judas repented in YLT it says “repented himself”. Strong’s uses to different GK words for Judas repentence and the repentence that we are instructed to do. Both words use the same prefix the the body is different. It appears to me that the difference was that Judas realized he was condemned. His regret was for himself only not a change of mind and heart because he had done something against the Lord. As you say, repentence is something different for different people. Thank you

    • Natalie, I have been listening to JP for almost 2 yrs. I have never understood him to say that there are not consequences for sin. What he does do is not preach about how bad you are if you sin instead he tells you how to stop sinning and that’s by knowing how much Jesus loves us and learning who we are in Christ. We can easily see that even in the secular world that children who are raised knowing that they are so loved do much better than children raised in unloving environments. They think in their hearts they are not worthy of love and do not love themselves. It is hard for them to see that anyone can love them. When they can eimbrace the love of God for them personally they find that they do not WANT to hurt the One who loves them. The Apostle John knew this and I often mimic his wise consul to himself. I “am the disciple whom Jesus loves!” Sin then becomes something that I don’t want to do, not because I’m afraid of God but because I don’t want to disappoint Him or sully His family name. To make His sacrifice for me “of no effect”. I am not under the law I live under Grace.

  57. After 30 years of “being baptized” and reading Hebrew, Greek and English various translations; I still did not know truly who Jesus IS! 25 years ago I met and became friends with Major Ian Thomas (If I Perish, I Perish, The Saving Life of Christ, The Mystery of Godliness). It was his writings that I still read annually that finally led me to understand The Cross and the events of that one day. But I still found Churches still stuck in the Law only now it had become not just the Ten Commandments but whatever doctrine or catechism added to it and then came those “safe” passages for sermons–those with only the purpose of filling the alter call. I left behind all Churches. In 2006 while commanding the remote for once I found Prince on a local Christian TV station, then later also on TBN. Now have we attend our Church here in Orlando FL, we then prepare for the message via internet from New Creation. We now have each month’s special gift, became a Partner, and have most of his DVDs and CDs and all his books. The best, for me, has been the much too small book on Holy Communion. I am disabled and terminal. Mayo Clinic in 2004 said I had 18-24 months to live. Well, 8 YEARS later I have seen, felt healing, seen, felt the “smell”of Jesus. Holy Communion is taken daily. I have now such peace, such rest that when one of my 4 ways to die strikes, while being totally incapable of breathing, turning blue and purple, the body thrashing about, inside where it really counts I am smiling and totally completely as peace. You will find much criticism on Prince today since he first exploded into America; and it was to be expected. The American TV whatever they call themselves can easily see their own money greed stream drying up as God honors His Word, and Jesus blesses His Grace, and the Spirit moves within this dying country.
    The average local Pastor probably has never heard of Prince or Major Thomas or Watchman Nee; nor have they told their sheep the Law has been hidden under the Mercy Seat of God never to be seen until that day of Judgement.

    • Hi Rick, thanks so much for sharing your amazing story. I think your observation about the average pastor is spot on. I have read a few of Watchman Nee’s books but I know little of Maj. Thomas. His name keeps coming up though – I will have to check him out.

      • Paul
        Major Thomas does one thing nobody I know of has ever tried. You of course know that ESTHER does NOT mention LORD, GOD nor any reference. Yet the Trinity is there, grace is given, salvation is freely given, and evil is run out. This is the book: If I Perish, I Perish. On eBay it goes for up to $200 for it has been out of print for 340 years. Go to Torchbearers.org and you can buy it there for i think $8. But please do get to know him; he died about 3 years ago @96 and was the soldier who received the surrender flag from the Germans at Sword beach D-Day.
        I see a lot of The Major is Prince; I see a lot of Nee in Prince; I see a lot of the old hymns those sung by the Black man, Amazing Grace (written by a former slave ship captain), the hymns I grew up in the 50’s-70’s. There is so much theology in old hymns. And Prince knows it. Also buy his cd Still Waters. It is pure music for meditation, prayer, communion, reading at night or just the best sleep.

      • Thanks for the recommendation Rick, I will definitely look it up.

  58. Rick,
    I enjoyed that. THANKS!! :)

  59. i started watching Joseph Prince last year when he “just happened” to be teaching “the tree in the bitter waters @ marah is a symbol of the cross” (i had received an insight about this the day before after bible study and was even compelled to share w/ my group leader- who agreed w/ me but did not delve any deeper into it) i was excited but cautious (i was raised mormon- so when i knew the truth about Jesus and studied the bible as straight-up God’s Word, i wasn’t going to let any “man-made teachings” lead me astray ever again!) every time i listened to JP teach grace it was like he was saying something God had already revealed to me as being truth- and i hadn’t r really shared much about these things b/c no one ever talked about them in my church! i even thought maybe some of these things were my imagination (i.e.: why don’t i ever feel like i need to confess sins? why did i feel so condemned when a teacher told me there is always punishment for our sins? eek! why was i experiencing victory in my life over things that others, who had been walking w/ the LORD a lot longer than i, were still struggling w/?) but there would be the Word, telling me how it really was was! thanks to JP, everything that God had been revealing to me came together in this one word: GRACE!
    when i found out JP was coming to the US last year, i cried tears of joy. when he was actually here, all i could think about was the wonderful huge-ness of it all! :)

    • Hi Jennie, thanks for writing in and telling us your story. Isn’t it interesting how we often know truth in our hearts before we know it in our heads? I know your heart knows this already, but if your brain is curious here’s a post I put together summarizing 12 reasons why we don’t need to confess to be forgiven.

      • yes, i read that one (your articles are most excellent, i might add :)) Jesus dealt w/ me shortly after becoming a believer… in the middle of confessing and pleading about my long list of sins (my life was a mess and i was just starting to sort through and test everything i had been taught)… i heard this authoritative yet gentle voice in my head: “I have already forgiven you!” yeah- i paid attention! it was like ‘why are you asking me to do something i have already done?’ gulp. needless to say… i have not confessed sins or pleaded forgiveness since- i thank Jesus for what He did for me. so when other Christians spoke about unconfessed/confession of sin i would wonder why they didn’t think they were forgiven b/c i KNEW i was forgiven! besides, how can people that acknowledge the Holy Spirit lives IN them even consider that this very same, very Holy Spirit could “seal Himself up” in place that wasn’t already made clean and holy?

      • oh! and thank you for sharing your gifts in spreading the good news of grace! i have to “confess” (lol) that it was my husband who found your website…we had actually gotten into a heated discussion about confession of sins (pastor taught it that day) after we got home from church. i asked him “why would you keep making payments on something that has already been paid for?” (he’s scrupulously gifted in the accounting/$ management area…) long story short: i went outside and prayed “You are gonna have to get this truth into him somehow, b/c he doesn’t want to hear it!” 20 minutes later he came out w/ a printout in his hand…”what keeps christians weak and unproductive?” he agreed. (me: thank You Jesus!) he said he just needed to hear it explained in a different way than how i was explaining it. (selective wife hearing? lol) so thank you! you are blessed indeed in your ministry of getting the message of grace into the hearts of men! :)

      • Wow – thanks Jennie! That made my day. I’m so glad you and your hubby are on the same page. I sometimes wonder how things would be between me and my wife if we weren’t. We both woke up to grace at the same time.

      • :) its the LORD’s timing… and His grace is always enough…

  60. This msg of Grace is liberating indeed

  61. dr maxwell owusu boateng says:

    God’s awesome feVer that has now come to us is incredible and this grace ministered through pastor prince has radically transformed thousands in the world including me . God bless you pastor prince

  62. Philip E Brown says:

    Is there a study Bible that Joseph Prince recommends? Phil

    • Rick Shafer says:

      He will use the King James, The New King James, NIV, Amplified. He will always use actually Hebrew and Greek words. Whatever he needs. But notice, the Scriptures are on the screens behind him and he has no pulpit. His Sunday Service that is broadcast over newcreationchurch.sg or Princeministries.com around 11 ESTam. You will find that most of his messages begin in the OT and then the principle or the dynamic or use of Hebrew or Greek it comes to be linked always to Jesus; of course, the OT is filled with Jesus and especially His Grace.

  63. I discovered Escape To Reality after trying to look up Joseph Prince and THIS article popped up. NOW in Joseph Prince AND Paul Ellis I feel I have discovered two excellent teachers on GRACE!! :) I’m not sure where I should direct my questions so I am just adding this question here… Paul, could you please give me a good scriptural definition of self control? THANK YOU! Lori

  64. i have heard him on tithing just google new creation church and you will find a very educative topic on tithing by joseph prince.

  65. harrytombas says:

    in the law, ppl read the bible to find fault in themself but under grace we read the bible and found God’s love for us and has been found fault on our behalf. Now we are free indeed, and the more we know that we are forgiven all, the moer we love Him.

  66. @Rick Shafer – I think the title of the song of which you inquired is “You’re The Same” and is on the 2006 CD titled “Unleashed, Gospel Revolution”. The lyrics and purchase information are located here: http://www.my-filing-cabinet.com/gospel-revolution-worship-album. Hope this helps.

    • Rick Shafer says:

      Thank you Peggi so much. I am afraid that is not the song (I was able to play it on a cd site). It comes at the end of the 3rd cd disk on Mediation after the female overvoice signs off; the sound is still recording and that is when Pastor begins. To a previous inquiry, I was told from JPMinistries that it was spontaneous and does not appear anywhere else. Thank you so much for your reply. Since I am home bound tied to a 75 foot oxygen hose and alone all day, I have almost all the cds and about 75% of the DVDs. When you are on disability and after the crash in America, you just don’t buy the special ones.

  67. kkarinee says:

    I cannot thank God enough for raising someone like Joseph Prince. I was reborn about 5 years ago and even though on that day I was shown what God REALLY is abuot: LOVE, over the next few years i was sent back to legalism and chains. Perhaps those who are against the message of grace Joseph Prince teachings don’t have idea of the negative consequences of living in fear and bound to the Law can bring to one’s life. All these 5 years I practically lived unfruitful, hating, confused, SELF-RIGHTEOUS and much more. I was in sum turning into the very same thing i hated that kept me further and further away from God in my pre-rebirth life. And all this due to legalistic techings that unfortunately are majority out there (as i saw in my experience). I delayed reading the Bible because of misinterpretations i heard and was always afraid i would find condemnation there, although i knew it was the Word of LIFE. I doubted my salvation. This is utterly serious. You just cannot live when u aren’t even sure you will spend eternity with God. Again i can’t thank God enough for getting to know Joseph Prince. Definitely my pastor :-)

  68. Rick Shafer says:

    After reading just about all forums, I like this the most. I suppose it is because we all have one single thread running through us–it is NOT a new doctrine—it IS a real Person and His Name is Jesus. Since the Reformation, concentration has been on getting man out of Hell and into Heaven–not a doctrine at all. It is simply so easy–it is getting ALL THAT HEAVEN HAS TO OFFER–Jesus—into all that we are so that day by day, breath by breath we see, feel, smell, hear, walk, sit, sleep, eat, think, pray with HIM! Now the time for GRACE has at last come, I dare to say, AGAIN! For was not Jesus GRACE? Was not the message of Paul GRACE? Some pulpits still do the Reformation thing; some tell stories (parables as Jesus did) fine IF that is what their people need; but what I think they need is just to know, to be certain that they ARE LOVED! We have been beated down since Viet Nam. We did not believe nor trust our government, our Caesar, I can even foresee blood in our own streets as we have seen all Spring and Summer from Middle East. And now comes GRACE, so simple, so lovely, so calm, so restful, so certain giving a taste of what God Made Man to be.
    Let us NOT talk constantly about Pastor Prince. Yes, he is most important, the only Pastor I know who is preaching GRACE. All others seem to be dimming. We must pray and be of constant diligence for the Enemy is not only real, but he is walking this earth, even this forum, seeking whom he may devour. These are evil days and the world has started its final slide laughing all the way. I did not first hear of GRACE from Pastor Prince, I was reading a book by a psychiatrist, Henry Cloud and his research buddy Townsend in a book called “How People Grow”. ONE sentence about 8 pages in struck me with such force I shouted for my wife (she was at church I had not been for 20 years). So alone I rejoiced, praised, blessed, sang, made up songs and poems, the happiest I have ever been in at that time 59 years of age. It was sort of what writers some times do–they will write a “throw-away- line” to keep them focused. That line appeared within a sentence; it did not even stand alone. And all it said was…….we walk IN GRACE every day we breath. Why I was always told we walked by faith and what We DID for GOD is what matters and lo be to the man who does not tithe or is not baptised or does not walk an aisle. WE DON’T WALK AISLE—WE WALK IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND IN THE GRACE OF THE FATHER held together by the SPIRIT. What a revelation that was to me! The night I finally came to Jesus at 27 it was because I at last heard (and I had been in church 3 services a week for my father was an Elder and I was an embarrassment to him so I walked the aisle, 15 minutes lately I was wet, got home and for one day, the Elder who had just prayed and cried over Communion, did not beat me. I hated him and everything he represented. But that night at 27 I first heard that I was actually LOVED, that I was actually THE BELOVED SON of God–not in the way Jesus is of course, but as God made us to be. I guess that is why all books of John are so cherished–he got it!! I have gone on way too long. I just had a simple point that we speak too much of what Pastor Prince and his minitries have done in my life=—and we are NOT praising the One of whom Prince speaks! I can could tell you of such treasures that are “hidden” in the OT and they all ARE Jesus–not leading to Him but HIM! Think of Esther. Where is God even mentioned? Think of Ruth. Why did a man whose means My God is King rise up and take him wife into a foreign and godless land; and why were their sons named whining and pining away? And why did Orpah turn back was she “forelock” into her life? Why did Ruth go with Naomi? And then came Boaz. And the human bloodline of Jesus the Christ of God includes harlots, outcasts, non-Jews, so many women. 40 years ago the Women’s Movement did not need marches, abortion or even their 2 leaders back then; all they had to do was to READ JESUS to find the power, strength and importance of women.
    Oh my dear friends you have given me an outlet for I see each day for the last 7 years the inside walls of my house. My wife works from 8-8 and then on Saturday. I have no life; I have no friends, I do not know personally ONE, besides my wife, true Believer–I simply cannot get out! So cherish what we have HERE, don’t give all the credit, praise, glory, thanks to Prince he would be shocked! Take Holy Communion every day even alone, and just remember. You will weep and the Spirit from God begins to speak; it is so deep where the Evil one cannot go, she will know peace, calm, rest and you will SEE GRACE!

  69. cheryl grabowski says:

    The ministry of grace appeals to me so much because of my life experience with Jesus,,,,I was saved at age 18 and didn’t know about Christ prior to ,,,,,my Pentecostal pastor preached that you had to accept Jesus as savior repent of your sins and be baptized with water and fire which is the holy ghost…..being spirit filled and god conscious the first time in my life was awesome!! But at the same time I would leave church feeling like my salvation wasn’t intact……my husband and I had a strong zeal for the things of god and began to Chase after him more than anything …..my had a strong Pentecostal root and often ministered that
    works doctrine on the other hand I threw the scriptures saw that Christ had finished the work and that what I had to do was depend on his

    • Rick Shafer says:

      Cheryl, It is difficult to know just what to say or even know what it is that troubles you. Your thoughts are fragmented at best and your last sentence does not end–it is as if you were cut off in mid thought or writing. Just the little I understand is you depend on “feelings” to assure you of not only salvation but of Christ Himself. You are ever so close to making “feelings” into a “work”; unless I don’t “feel” it, I cannot have it, or receive it or accept it. That is a clever dark scheme of the Evil one; to deceive us, to get us to believe that it is “something” WE must do, that WE have to do to be a Child of God. And it sounds through your confused writing, that you are falling into that trickery—anything to take your eyes, your mind, your actions off Jesus. The Evil one cannot get inside your mind but he can attack the parameters calling us out to answer his lies. I have found 2 stories that speak to this: one happens to be a favorite of mine that shows to me, at least, that God, the Father, and God, the Son have a grand sense of humor–I speak of Jesus walking on the water. Peter wants to come to Him; Jesus simply says, Come. Peter steps out and whoa he is walking of the storming Galilee water always keeping his eyes of Jesus. Then maybe a small wave or bit of wind hits him and he looks down only to realize WHAT he is doing! Well, as a fisherman, Peter knows that a man cannot do what he is doing so Peter STARTS to sink. I don’t know about you, but I do not know how some one in the middle of a storming sea or a calm backyard pool, STARTS to sink! Don’t you just go down rather fast? The 2d story is when Jesus was baptized by John. The Heavens opened, a dove came down and God Himself says, THIS is my BELOVED Son. Listen to HIM! And then immediately Jesus goes into the desert for 40 days/nights to be tempted. And every time the evil one tempts, he says (now notice carefully what the evil one does NOT say): If you are the Son of God…………; and then again, If you are the Son of God…… and finally again, If you are the Son of God……. Peter took his eyes off Jesus and sank requiring rescue by the Hand of Jesus Himself; the evil one would not, could not dare to say the truth: If you are the BELOVED Son of God…..Cheryl, KNOW that you right now, at this moment ARE THE BELOVED DAUGHTER OF GOD HIMSELF and all there is of God is instantly available to all there is of you. He but speaks and calm, rest, peace comes. Look to the Father as HIS Beloved child, then just take a deep breath, step out of the boat, stand on the wild Galilee sea, take another depth breath this time smiling seeing Jesus, and just rest, take His peace and calm. For there is NOTHING you can do but sink; unless you just rest and breath deep while keeping your eyes on Jesus. A smile will come, guaranteed, and then His peace. And you will feel His arms around you; over your shoulder. For He is the Good Shepherd Who instantly comes to the aid of His sheep. And all you have to do is sit back, relax and say, Thank You Lord. I accept and I want more for He is so happy to give you more and more each time you ASK. There is nothing you MUST do or HAVE to do to be His Child; just accept, say thank you, because of what HE did on that Galilee and then at that whipping post (by His stripes we are healed) and finally on the hill, on the cross bearing all of Human time to be forgiven. And remember how much He paid for when He cried out, My God, My God (He was not just telling those there that Psalm 22 had been fulfilled before their eyes) He cried out because for the FIRST and ONLY time He was totally separated from the Father. The Father had to turn His back, for He cannot look at Sin. And Jesus knew the pain, the loneliness, the emptiness of being without the Father. It was then He knew “it is finished”, and He died but YOU came alive for the first and forever time.

  70. i am still a sinner ??? even though i commit sin ????

    – choy

  71. Obidience is better than sacrifice.
    We are in a place of rest.
    Thank you Jesus for your love.

  72. Rick, the song “You are the same” is really part of a song entitled “Our unchanging God” from the album “A touch of His Presence”. These are all spontaneous songs from Joseph Prince. He has another album of spontaneous songs called “A touch of His Presence 2″. You can go to this link https://www.josephprince.org/onlinestore/US/c-85-music.aspx?IsTop=1 to order the CDs

  73. Rick, I will not be able to comprehend in depth what you are going through as a result of your infirmity – the sense of loneliness, helplessness and etc. But perhaps I can share a little of the testimony of Jesus Christ in my life that may uplift you. There are many ways that the Lord heals – through His Word, Holy Communion, the anointing of His Holy Spirit, the foolishness of the preaching of His Word and etc. But there is also one other way that He has revealed to me and that is through His manifest presence. When I was born again, from the very first day, I was spending a few hours every day worshipping Him with my hands lifted up to Him in my room because that was what I observed the christians were doing at the charismatic church that I attended. Not only that, I immediately embarked on a one week fast because the church had initiated a one week fast. I never knew christians fasted before that. I decided to extend my fast to 3 weeks. During this initial 3 weeks, I was reading His word and worshipping Him every night for 3 hours by playing some worship CDs. On the 10th day of my fast, it dawned on me that I had a history of gastritis from 15 years back. If I had missed one meal, I would be throwing up and feeling nauseous for the next 7-10 days and I would have to take charcoal or antacid tablets for the condition. But here I am in the midst of a fast and I did not even suffer any ill effects. I did not know then that God is One who heals but He healed me of gastritis in the midst of a fast. I was glad that I had completely forgotten about my medical history otherwise I would not have embarked on the fast. But more than that, He has since called me to several 40 days fast and I have never come down with gastritis since. From His Word, He gave me the revelation that this was because of His manifest presence. Because Moses was spending so much time in His manifest and revealed Presence, because He is life, no death or disease could exist in His manifest presence and that was why when he died at the age of 120 years, scriptures revealed that he had the eyes of a young man. Towards the end of the 21 days fast, I was baptised in the Spirit in my room. It took me completely by surprise as the Holy Spirit came upon like a mighty wind and the next thing that I knew, I was worshipping, not praying, in the Spirit. It was pure ecstasy and totally effortless. Since then, I had so many encounters with Him. But 2 things stood out. The first was that as a result of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, I became fully conscious of His presence. He was no longer a God who was a million, million miles away somewhere up there in heaven, but in me and with me. I am no more alone. I have the fellowship and communion of God. This is most precious to me. It is His presence that I value most of all till this day. The second thing that I have learnt and received from Him is that worship is the key, for worship ushers in His presence.
    Since then, through the times of worship unto Him developed over the years, there have been so many times that His presence have been so strong within me and upon me that not only was His life was flowing so strongly within me, there was also such a sense of oneness with Him. When His life flows within me, I become so incredibly alive, even in my mind. But it is this wondrous reality of oneness and union with Him that is so priceless.
    If I could wrap up this entire note, it is this – worship Him, worship Him, worship Him. It will usher in His manifest presence and where His manifest presence is, there every blessing in Christ is found. Healing, health and wholeness for your body is found in His manifest Presence. Worship Him.
    I hope this testimony will be a blessing and a hope to you.

  74. There are always two sides to a story and I of course want to share mine about Joseph Prince.

    He is a Word of Faith Teacher, which raises a yellow flag in my belief, because WOW theologh is like looking at a piece of Swiss Cheese(a lot of loop holes. Most of the comments bear much applaud to Joseph Prince Ministry. If Prince indeed adheres to the WOW theology, than he believes Jesus Christ did not finish the atonement for our sins on the cross when he said, It is Finished.” This bears much caution.

    I’ve read articles by Christian people in Singapore who also bear caution to “some” (my emphasis) Princes’s teaching. They sound good but we must be be careful of one wh says and I quote. Now please, before the rebukes come, I said some of Princes teachings, not all.

    The Following was taken from Princes’s book , Destined to Reign, pages, 134, 135).

    “The bottom line is that the Holy Spirit never convicts you of your sins. He NEVER comes to point out your faults. I challenge you to find a scripture in the Bible that tells you that the Holy Spirit has come to convict you of your sins. You won’t find any! The body of Christ is living in defeat because many believers don’t understand that the Holy Spirit is actually in them to convict them of their righteousness in Christ. Even when you fail, He is ever present in you to remind you that you are continually cleansed by the blood of Jesus. That’s the Holy Spirit. … When you’ve failed, the Holy Spirit convicts you of righteousness, not your sins.”

    The Holy Spirit is telling you that you are righteous ?. Hmm… Then Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit should not have wrote the numerous corrections to the various churches on there failure in morality or conduct. If the Holy Spirit is actually in them to convict them of their righteousness in Christ then what of Jesus speaking of sin and judgment?

    Is Princes’s teaching of grace negating Philippians 1:6? Am I wrong.

    Peace

    • Dano, you are wrong when you come against the Word of faith theology. For does not the scripture declare that God declared everything into existance through His Word. Does it also not declare that life and death lies in the power of our tongue and therefore it is critical that what we confess is in line with the scriptures and with the rhema of the Holy Spirit. Throughout the scriptures, we have examples upon examples of the power of declaration. In Job 22:28, it reads “You will decree a thing and it shall be established for you”. Even to receive our salvation, does not Rom 10:8-10 declare “But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith which we preach; that if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth, confession ismade unto salvation”.

      You further charged that if Joseph Prince indeed adheres to the Word of faith theology, then he believes Jesus Christ did not finish the atonement for our sins on the cross when He said, “It is finished”. But this is a false and baseless charge against him. If you have heard his sermon teachings or read his books, over and over again, you will hear him declare the perfect and finished work of Jesus. There is nothing for us to do but to belief and rest in all that Jesus has accomplished for us through his finished work. It is all Jesus and nothing of us.

      Then you charged that Joseph Prince interpretation of John 16:8-11 is unscriptural… The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin because they do not believe in Jesus – that He is the Savior. There is only one sin that the Holy Spirit convicts the unbelievers and that is the sin of unbelief which is so clearly stated here. In the next category, He convicts the believers of righteousness – their righteousness in Christ, the righteousness that is a gift from God because of the perfect and finished work of Jesus… Throughout scriptures, righteousness is always by grace through faith and never by works…

      As to your question whether Joseph Prince’s teaching of grace negates Philippians 1:6, on the contrary, it confirms and establishes it. Look again at the scripture of Phil 1:6 ” being confident in this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ”. What is the focus of this scripture? Is it not the Lord? It is He who started the work in us and it is He who will finish the work in us. It is all about Him. It is all about His grace and nothing of our self efforts or vain striving.

      The work of the Holy Spirit is to point us to Jesus, His perfection, His finished work. And He reveals and reminds us of our new and true identity in Christ Jesus. He does not point out our faults and sins. He points us to Jesus and as we behold Jesus, we are then transformed effortlessly into His image by the Spirit of the Lord. Jesus is our new identity.

  75. Thanks for you reply Samuel. I will still keep JP and the Word of Faith teachers in check.

    Solo Scriptura

  76. Never heard the word sanctification??? We are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works.Yes saved by grace through faith not of our own works lest any man should boast However??? we are created in Christ Jesus as new creatures in Him growing in grace (fruit bearers) for good works or deeds. Holy Spirit fill me,, guide me and give me strength it will not be effortless but we will overcome by the blood of the Lamb , and the word of our testimony even unto death, Gird up people of God and be guided by the Holy Spirit to the Glory Of God yea bearing fruit can and will require sacrifice. obediance and deligence. Love God’s word that the Holy Spirit will have someonre to work in. We will see the saved and the rewards when we are in Glory. Don’t fall a sleep in your grace we need your service as Ephesians 4 says. Proper working of each… have a blessed evening.

  77. I agree about Bruce’s comments (September 2012) about tithing not mention in the new testament. Not sure about Joseph Prince’s opinion or interpretation of scripture about tithing from Abrahamic period…Yes we must be a cheerful givers, and God’s provision or the Churches survival is not dependent on tithing (Ricks comments). you give what you can 5%,10%,15% etc…God will do the rest, it was good enough for the original churches in Acts and its good enough for 2013

  78. Dr. Rita Johnson says:

    I think Joseph Prince is a dynamic preacher with a powerful anointing and hope to be able to attend somewhere he is teaching. The world needs more men & women who speak the uncompromising message of Jesus, like Joseph Prince is doing. HERE IN AMERICA – we are fortunate to have great preachers – like Creflo Dollar – but I never miss Pastor Prince’s broadcast. (Yes, people in America do read this blog).

    • Rick Shafer says:

      Pastor Prince is coming to America: Los Angeles, Dallas and New Jersey. I believe in September. To far from Florida. I have learned more in 4 years watching and listening to him then 4 years of Hebrew and Greek and Theology. Just before I found Prince I read a book by Henry Cloud and his partner, I cannot remember, where in just a “throw away phrase” he writes, we walk by Grace. This was freedom to me! Then the next month I first saw Prince. I became a Partner and have almost all his DVD series and CD series. Simply cannot get enough. I find no church in Orlando that comes close.

  79. Any further information out there about Joseph Prince and fasting? Paul, what is your take on fasting?

    I am now learning more about all the benefits of the divine exchange at the cross, and about receiving freely vs. trying to earn favor. But things are so dark and painful in our finances, I don’t know if the Lord is calling me to fast about the situation. I want to resist fear and withdrawal. I don’t want another nervous breakdown. Thanks for your prayers for us, Escape To Reality readers.

    • Rick Shafer says:

      Kevin, I truly understand where you are; we have been there for 3 years now. There is nothing I can do and that is exactly the position my Holy God wants me. He did not cause this just like He did not cause your situation. But He and His Beloved Son, Jesus are waiting for you to ASK not do; for you can do nothing, Jesus can. He always said we could do nothing without Him; and that He can and wants to do and be every problem, tear, fear, poverty, depression. Know this one thing: when such is happening to you as now, it all comes from the Evil One and the Dark Evil One ONLY attacks the children of the Father. So don’t do, just ask. For when Jesus is in the center of your life, your marriage, your lack; keep your eyes on Him alone, and you will walk on water too.

      • Rick I may have missed a reply elsewhere, but with what you say above – how does that line up with your belief stated in the opening comments that “prayer and fasting were needed to drive out strong demons”? I know which scripture you are quoting but actually Jesus answered in the previous verse to the one you mention. Jesus said it was because of “unbelief”. The verse you mention is not in every manuscript which is why it is in italics. How does praying and fasting add to one’s faith or “belief” ? It doesn’t. The Word clearly states elsewhere that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. The verse was added by those who did not understand the authority of the Name of Jesus, and sought to put their own interpretation on the matter.

    • I have wondered the same thing about fasting – but this weekend I read JP’s booklet about the Communion and it helped me so much…now I see that it is through the communion that we receive healing…maybe this applies to financial healing too? Jesus said we would fast, but I don’t agree with doing things to “make” God move on our behalf…he’s already done everything! His word says he wants mercy more than sacrifice, so unless you are being drawn into fasting I would not go there…it could keep you in bondage to works.

      • Rick Shafer says:

        Brilliant! Just Brilliant. Yes the small book on Holy Communion is very good; the DVD set is 5 disks and grand (ebay about $30; JPM: >$85.
        It is through correctly discerning His body that we are healed; just as correctly discerning His Blood we are redeemed and are given the righteous of God. 9 years ago the Mayo Clinic after 15 days testing, that I had 12-18 MONTHS to live. No mere man knows when I will die; it is 9 years later. Yes we have lost just about everything; but morning or evening Holy Communion every day is our center now. Plus purely personal, whenever I fasted for 2 weeks or more, just water and salt; I always gained 7-10 pounds–go figure. There really is nothing I can do; I must just get out of my Lord’s way and just let Him. That is all there is to it; ever so simple. Yet we tend to make it so hard; that we must DO when we cannot but He CAN and always WILL.

      • Rick Shafer says:

        I have just read your response; however, I do not know to whom you are responding. You state something about my reply on prayer and fasting “above”. No such thing was said. What WAS said is that Darkness in and of this world attacks Believers as well as Unbelievers. Do you think that poverty, sickness, illness, etc. comes from Jesus and the Father? I never read in my Bible that Jesus said “here have some cancer; you have some leprosy”. Every place Jesus went He healed, restored. Let me suggest 2 studies for you when you state about “faith”. Abraham in the OT and Abraham in the NT particularly what Jesus said about Abraham. I recognize “and it was accounted to him as righteousness” and of course, Abraham is before the Law so therefore Faith AND Grace are present. Look at the blessings the Father promises to the seed of Abraham (His Son and His Church). Just one more small question: The Law came through Moses and death by the Law and none are righteous no not one under the Law. Now go the Chronicles where all the Begets begin. Several pages go by until suddenly “Now there was a righteous man named Jabez”. He prayed asking for prosperity and since his name meant “Pain” that pain would not come to his family nor he would take pain to others. Then an amazing thing happens: And God heard the prayer of Jabez and answered it. Then the begets begin again and Jabez is lost to history never to be mentioned again. He was obviously under the Law, but how did he become righteous? So that the Father God heard his prayer (no blood sacrifice at an altar or sprinkled on the Mercy Seat) and answered it. Think of it this way: GRACE ALWAYS trumps the Law; and there is NOTHING we can EVER do to earn, deserve, merit the Grace of God. It has always been I cannot Lord; I never said you could, Jesus replies. Lord, you can; and Jesus replies, I always said I would.

  80. Hi I am from Sri Lanka – a convert to Christianity from Buddhism which is the religion of the majority in SL. I have been exposed to the law and tithing and many other principles but never heard anything like JP all the time I was a Christian. Then I discovered Pastor Joseph Prince a few years ago and have never looked back! Bought his books in Singapore and am hoping to visit his church when I go to Singapore next which God willing, maybe in August. His sermons glorifying Jesus have transformed my life. With JP, I have discovered Jesus in the OT and NT in ways I would never have thought possible – refreshing sermons that I never fail to listen to on my iPhone every morning. God bless everyone.

  81. Samson Akinbo says:

    HI, I’m Samson i love listen to pastor prince preaching please is there anyway i can be receiving your tithing sermons here is my email, akinbos@ymail.com. Thanks! may God bless you pastor prince.

  82. I thank God for Joseph Prince and Paul Ellis, and Simon Yap. They nourish me. I am comfortable with the truths they express as they are in my heart already, and I experience deep peace and joy when I hear or read anything from these 3 men in particular, although I know there are others who preach mostly the same. And that is the key for me. With every other person I listen to or read there is a discordant note at some point. It is not only that I disagree with what they are saying at that particular point, it is a real jarring, almost like walking into a glass door unawares. I have been challenged a few times by Paul as he raises questions touching on long held beliefs! but have never experienced the jarring feeling that I have with certain others. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with the others, only that my own journey has bought me to the place whereby these 3 men are always in line with my own inner witness. We are always hearing, always learning, always expanding in our understanding, and I am more excited today than I was last year, and I was more excited last year than I was the year before that, and so on back to the start of this wonderful journey of faith and discovery 30 some years ago. Come Lord Jesus!

  83. Karla Ashford says:

    We love Pastor Prince and his complete teaching of God’s perfect person.Grace.
    He and Andrew Wommack teach the same gospel, the true gospel. Don’t miss out people, it’s not a false gospel.

  84. Anonymous says:

    I am always concerned when a person’s teaching is elevated above what the full counsel of the Word of God says. The Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth. Man will never guide us into all truth. Please do not put your trust in man.

    • Haha – heard that before. Dear Anonymous, I encourage you to read this post entitled “What is the ‘whole’ gospel?

    • Hi Paul,

      It seemes to mee that you have not listened to Pastor Prince or maybe you are just thinking people here show too much enthusiam for him as a man – however, if you listen to his teaching you will see how he only elevates Jesus. People who listen to his messages are drawn to Christ, and Christ is worth getting excited about! Thru Pastor Prince’s teachings I have been drawn to a deeper intimacy with Christ and now I enjoy reading his Word like never before. I think I speak for many of us on this blog…we are drawn to Christ, actually AWAKENED the Christ through Pastor Prince’s uncompromising devotion to the Word of God. This is what so many of us have been looking for and not finding in the legalistic churches we have been associated with. I hope this helps explain that none of us are following a man, unless of course, you mean the “God-man”, Jesus Christ…in which case, YES! We happily are!

      • Tammie, is your comment directed to me? I am a huge fan of Joseph Prince – I wrote the post above and have reviewed his books his on E2R.

  85. Excellently penned. Im so thankful that Holy Spirit introduced me to His message of Grace through Pastor Prince. My life and beliefs have forever changed.

  86. Anonymous says:

    I would rather spend my time reading God’s Word than the thoughts and interpretations of men. Why do we think we have suddenly gained some sort of new understanding of God’s Word and His Character that others over the centuries have simply not seen. I believe that we have been saved by grace and that it is a gift of God not a result of works that no one should boast. My goal is to now please God by becoming transformed into His image…conformed into the image of His Son. That will happen as the Holy Spirit takes the Word of God and changes me. I did not say the whole gospel…I said the whole counsel of the Word of God. God reveals His love, His desire for relationship with us, Our need for a Savior throughout the entire Bible. If you think my perspective should be laughed at as you did in your first response, you are not being kind or bringing a perspective that would create in me a desire to listen to what you might have to say. No love felt through that.

    • Gina, if you imagine me laughing at you, then you have an image of me that is a distortion of the truth. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is also a distortion to say the gospel of grace is a new message. Paul preached it on every page of his letters. You came here to attack a good man by implying that Joseph Prince’s message is not truth. This is not the fruit of the Spirit of truth and love.

    • Colleen G. says:

      It’s not that we think we suddenly know something New but that we have Rediscovered the TRUTH that bad theology stole from us. If it were not for human teachers trying to help us see the truth of grace a lot of us would still be plodding through our bibles reading under the veil of whatever bad teaching we are under at the time. So in acknowledging, promoting or celebrating a human writer-speaker we are simply saying thanks and trying to help others out of the muddy mess that Christianity can get into sometimes.
      Like it or not how you read your bible comes largely from what ever doctrine you embrace and if said doctrine isn’t right you will misread and misapply certain vital passages.

    • i studied the bible for almost 3 years in total reliance of the Holy Spirit’s explaining it to me… the first time i heard joseph prince’s teaching, he was only confirming what the Spirit had already revealed to me… ;)

    • Well said, the gospel of grace is not new neither is this Calvanist theory. Teaching that a believer can sin without consequence is a lie from the pit of hell.
      You hail him as if he introduced grace to mankind. Read the bible yourself and get the revelation from the Holy Spirit.

      • chrisvanrooyen says:

        Hi Bissi
        Well done you have just accused Jesus of speaking from the pit of hell . He carried all our consequences on the cross, You could redeem yourself by explaining what consequence our sin has after the cross. Just remember that no sin will enter heaven and you can unfortunately not stand with one foot in heaven and one in hell.
        You cannot live on both sides of the of the cross..

      • We don’t go to hell for sin. We’re forgiven. Period. Jesus suffered horribly for this. People are so hesitant to give up their own efforts that it’s impossible to accept sometimes…. The narrow road thing. (don’t even give me all the doctrine on that, I won’t read it). Consequences are something different than forgiveness. Break the law, goto jail. But go to jail forgiven and righteous because of Jesus.

      • Rick Shafer says:

        You know something; I do believe that Christians are the worst enemies of Christians. I have heard all my life: “If you don’t believe as we do, then hell awaits you” I heard that both at a church 4 times a week also from an extremely abusive father, who just happened to be the Senior Elder and Chairman of the Board. Was I baptised near age 12, you are so right because the beatings up to that age simply got worse that I was going to embarass him. My goodness, how I hated that man and his wife even after I left and never returned not even for funerals (of course my siblings told me of the deaths 1-2 months after). If this was God and His Loving Son Jesus, this boy was not having any of it. You see the huge mistake that is being made in the world as well as back then is the mixing of the Law with the Gift of Grace. But I did not see that until age 47 and it really exploded at 60 when I first heard Prince. I have feared and do pray for him as he comes back to the States in the Fall. New Creation Church and its Leadership are very special to this world right now. Should Prince be suckered into Kopeland or any of those Law/Give me Money practices, it will open him and New Creation to the powers of this world. Instead of yelling at him, we should be on our knees asking our God through His Beloved Son to protect that man and his family during their week in the most Sodomized city on the planet. It will make me vomit to see Kopeland and his elk preaching and “send me money” according to Grace so that they sound just like Prince. They are evil men. And Prince is somewhat ignorant about the “church” in America.

      • We are all loved. We are all forgiven. Not a one of us is better than the other. Copeland and all the others included. Now, I am perfectly willing to serve God totally without any financial blessing and health and all the rest. But, Jesus suffered just as much to provide me that as He did to provide me with forgiveness and righteousness. Soooooooo, if He was willing to be horrifically tortured to give me these things, who do I think I am to feel like its evil for me to take them? All ministers ask for money. If you don’t agree with them, don’t give them any.

      • Rick Shafer says:

        I don’t!
        I merely look at their actions; I cannot discern their hearts.
        The Word says you shall now a man by his deeds; phony or faithful; greedy or giving.
        They tend to have a “new” congregation about every 5-7 years for people just leave.
        This is caused I believe to the mixing of The Law and Grace, of money and greed; and sometimes lust and yielding.
        However, bringing any form of fear into the Church building and then yell it from the pulpit to the church is certainly not from the Father nor His Beloved Son nor the Spirit.
        I also think that is one of the main reasons that institutional “church” membership have been declining and the rise of forms of the ‘early church’ are growing everywhere.

      • a thought just occured to me in response to your comment kari… i think that some ministers ask for money for the same reason they teach the law – they dont trust the Holy Spirit to lead people… in their giving or their living. granted, when there is a need, i am not offended when there is a request… but our giving should be in response to the Holy Spirit’s leading us to do so…

        rick – i understand your concerns… but perfect love casts out fear brother. Jesus is the Beginning and the End – He started this… and He will finish it. ;)

      • Rick Shafer says:

        The KJV states “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”. We should all know by now that the word “fear” is better translated as “worship”; therefore, the WORSHIP of the Lord IS the beginning of Wisdom. And Jesus Christ is that Wisdom. I have no “fear” of nor from my Father God nor His Beloved Son; I bow in worship each morning, each evening, each day. I do not fear nor worship any mere man. The Mayo Clinic 9 YEARS ago told me I had 12 months to live; my Jesus had another idea. I see what mere men have done to the true Gospel of Grace. It is the chosen to ignore, to not hear, the man with no ears for whom I weep. My son-in-law, the father of my precious 4 grandchildren (4-9) who believes and has swallowed a cult. A cult of a dead pastor; a cult that believes that the OT, tithing, the 4 Gospels and yes even the Lord Jesus Himself were all under the Law and therefore do not matter to us. In our discussions, I would accept that but then take him to Acts-Revelation and ask is this not Christ and was He not foretold here? It is all written with the finger of God Himself. He won’t visit now for 6 years; he doesn’t work, the kids sleep in the smallest bedroom–yes all 4. I once asked: if Jesus is under the Law and therefore since we are not under the Law, where and by whose authority did the Law die? So he plays golf, the kids stay in school and after-school care for 10 hours each day, my step-daughter works 12 hours 7 days a week. She takes the kids to our church; she tries but it so tired; she tried to accept his belief system when they first married but could not. So Peter Pan found his Wendy and the Lost Boy/Girls come here for freedom and love and to feel Jesus.

      • I agree that the money grabbing is fear based. We actually give as we are blessed. We can’t give with the right heart unless we are blessing out of our blessing. Just like we can’t love until we receive God’s love for us. And we can’t stop being critical (you aren’t being jennie…) of others until we are free from condemning ourselves. We have to live in all grace, all the time.

      • rick, i was just responding to your fearing for joseph prince coming back to the states… ;)

  87. Amazing Grace…..that saved a wretch like me! I know what people mean by the churches that are legalistic but have also seen some false teaching in our Grace teaching churches. JP is refreshing to listen to but like others he does not always preach truth and that what I am concerned about. I hope it comes from sincerity but none the less we should pray for his ministry that always the whole truth is preached. Anyone that knows our Saviour will know what I am talking about .

  88. Pastor Prince is fantastic, His preaching opened. my eyes to the completed work of Jesus from Genesis to Revelation, so excited to attend a service of his in November while in Houston

  89. When watching joseph prince 0ver time I realized the childlike quality he has- like a little boy at his father’s feet nagging daddy- in this case Abba Father, to: tell me more tell me more daddy. And I get excited to also be at. Jesus feet thirsting and hungering always for more. I now understand why we are to be as little children.thank you for this blog!

  90. David Childress says:

    I enjoy lisening and watching Joseph Prince. One commentor mentioned he does not ask for money; in a way he does as I have wanted to purchase some of his teachings but he is too expensive. So I watch him on t.v. and let it go at that.

    • If you copy and paste this address into your web browser address bar, you will get his newest video teachings FREE, on TBN internet.

    • Hi David…sign up for JP’s email devotionals and you will receive notifications each month of their special offer. The offer is usually a CD sermon series, but sometimes more. These monthly offers are available for a donation of “any amount”, even only $1.00 USD. This is how I am able to collect many of Pastor Prince’s sermons…frankly, I don’t know how they can afford to send these CDs to me for only $1, but I am grateful they make this ministry available for people like us with limited funds. Also, since my husband forbids me buy anything from JP I am able to conceal my purchase by using a gift card…just be sure you don’t use a US ONLY gift card. JP’s ministry has a US/Canada website based in Atlanta, but the gift card companies have a way of knowing he is based out of Singapore and will refuse to pay any foreign based entity. Fortunately I have an older gift card which works fine, and is only $1.00 per month for the best teaching available. Also, you can download free sermons from iTunes or listen on YouTube. Watch for specials as well…for almost 2 months he ran a special, 20% off and free shipping till Christmas!

      • I hope you understand though…that it really isn’t right to continue to just send a $1.00 to get those monthly tape offers. There are substantial production costs that go into making cds available to the public.

        You are married and have income coming in…which simply put isn’t right to take advantage a ministry like this. I mean I’m really not trying to be a jerk here, just pointing out that you have finances and you are willing to use them on JP sermons that he makes available at a very reasonable price to the public. It just isn’t right to deliberately cheat a ministry that is feeding you spiritually. The fact that they even send out a resource for $1.00 shows you just right this ministry is.

        At some point you have to face your fears and let your hubby know that you have every right to spend your money on his tapes.

      • I am a generous supporter of JP’s ministry, but you are obviously not a woman and cannot relate to being married to a Pharisee nor can you understand what it feels like to be in the role of submission to a husband. That’s okay, most men cannot relate to this at all. I think you are encouraging me to be like Abigail…I prayed about this very matter and God spoke to me saying the new testament example for Christian wives is Sarah. She went along silently with all the faithless plans of her husband. This is what I do. I do have a good job, but my money goes into “our” account and I am not allowed to spend on things that my husband disagrees with. I must ask his permission for everything I buy. I am given a cash stipen for groceries each week, and it is from this that I send JP other orders and donations. I shared about the $1 teachings so people can see how generous JP is and that his is not a money grabbing preacher as my husband accuses him. God is well able to bring the increase and supply all our needs, even the needs of JP’s ministry. However, I have seen abuses as you mention…on Amazon people will sell these $1 messages for up to $50, can you imagine the audacity? Nevertheless, God will bless JP for his generous offer. It helps so many of us who struggle with various stressful monetary circumstances.

  91. I love Joseph Prince. I have hundreds of his sermons and I’m 100% on board with what teaches. In fact, I stole the Lord’s tithe for decades…LOL…until I heard JP’s teachings on the tithe. And his teachings made me want to tithe to my local church in America. They impacted me that much and broke my poverty spirit. And I see, reading through the comments section, that some believers who are stealing the Lord’s tithe got upset because the tithe was mentioned. LOL Never fails.

    If you’re honest with yourself…like I was…you know exactly why you say “…tithing is not for today…” Its because you want to steal that tithe like I did for so long. LOL I mean let’s not play games and get real here.

    • Tell me, what will be the result if I stole God’s tithe? And what scripture do you base your answer?

      • You’re not going to be cursed if you steal the tithe, but the windows of Heaven won’t be opened up over you and Jesus doesn’t become your Shield and exceedingly great reward. Many Christians are blessed through the Cross, but you can be a Christian blessed and not have a lot of money. If you go to Genesis and study Abraham’s life, the Lord said that Abraham was very wealthy, in cattle, in silver and in gold. And he was blessed in all things at the end of his life. We have the blessing of Abraham if we believe we are righteous by faith. But many overlook at Abraham, Isaac and Jacob living under Grace and bringing the Lord’s tithe to Him. I mean those specific details aren’t there just to take up pages. We’re back under Grace and we are being shown great truths by the Lord, about how we should live under Grace. And too many Christians have a ‘westernized mind’ when it comes to the Bible…

      • It’s not about what we do or don’t do for God, it’s about what He did for us in Christ and when we get that and enter that Joy, resurrection life, kingdom realities, it’s not about giving 10% or not, it’s about laying down our lives as a living sacrifice. Ro 12:1
        Money is a symbol and a shadow, we use it we give it as our heart is not in it. If it’s still about the money than we’re still under the Law and the curse.
        Jesus paid our tithe forever, now we live a life of giving, because He lives in us and gives, and we don’t live from a mindset of LACK but of LIFE (which is more than material supplies and includes them).
        For I have learned in whatsoever state I am to be content – which is true prosperity and abundance. Our life is HIDDEN in Christ, who is the sustainer of ALL THINGS.

      • With all due respect sir, you stated that you “stole the Lord’s tithes” and “believers who were stealing the Lord’s tithes”…under the law it is written “Thou shall not steal”…as you already know, under the Law there jwere consequences for disobeying the lawe. And as you correctly stated that Jesus paid our tithe for us. My question is, if Jesus already paid our tithe for us, why are we required to continue to pay tithe to Him? To say that believers are stealing the tithe would imply that they will be punished if they did. You and I know that is not true. New Testament giving (not “tithing” or giving 10% of one’s income) is taught in 2 Corinthians 9. The New Testament never mention tithing except in the book of Hebrews. And then the author is referring to the Old Testament. So sir there is no more such a thing as stealing God’s. Under the New Covenant, according to Romans 8:17, we are “heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ”…Therefore, whatever belongs to Christ belongs to us! All glory goes to God!

  92. LOL It NEVER FAILS. Offer another believer a chance to hear JP preach for FREE…but they’ll never take you up on the offer. Because they want to continue to steal the Lord’s tithe. Yes Abraham, Isaac & Jacob tithing under Grace is NOT a small picture of the believer under the NC…(lol)…

    • Rob, thanks for your comments but please note E2R’s strict comment policy which requires comments be less than 250 words and pertain directly to the post above.

      • Paul I’m sorry about he comment length and going a bit off the beaten path. Thank you for the warning and I’ll be more careful with my words in the future.

    • Jared Garrison says:

      Abraham, Isaac and Jacob tithed VOLUNTARILY under grace. They gave tithes because they wanted to. It was not a commandment, It was not required of them. Likewise, the New Testament believer is not under obligation but gives as he purposes in his heart. 2 Corinthians 9:7-9. As far as “stealing” tithes goes, this reference is made to Malachi 3. Taken in CONTEXT, this passage is referring to the Israelites who were not using the tithe for its purpose which was to feed the widows, orphans…the “have nots” in the community. The Israelites were misusing the tithes (stealing). THERE WAS NO TITHING UNDER GRACE! Common sense will teach us that to steal God’s tithes will cause us to be cursed with a curse according to Malachi 3. The New Testament believer is no longer under the curse according to Galatians 3:13. Why would God send Jesus to die and be a curse on our behalf just to turn around and curse us again for “stealing” the tithe? That doesn’t make sense. THE NEW TESTAMENT BELIEVER IS NOT REQUIRED TO TITHE.

  93. One of my favorite quotes by Pastor Prince.. i dnt remember the sermon.. but he mentioned that the greeks had a hard time to translate the word “good news” because in literal terms it meant “too good to be true” … people where shocked when they heard the gospel of grace.

    i will do my best to look for that sermon..

    • I remember him saying that too, but I can’t recall the sermon title myself. The Lord has Pastor Prince say s many things that just stick. One quote that always sticks with from Pastor Prince, (me paraphrasing), that the biggest problems that the Jews and many Christians have today…is receiving Jesus as their righteousness. And its such a succinct, yet incredibly powerful truth. Prince is just on a level of revelation that most preachers aren’t. And I believe its due to being faithful to bringing Jesus back to the church, as God the Father asked him to do back in 1997. It really does PAY to serve and do what the Lord ask you to do.

      • Jared Garrison says:

        Pastor Paul White is an awesome Gospel of Grace preacher along with Berti Britt and John Sheasby.