Joseph Prince: Preacher of Grace
So the Americans have finally discovered Joseph Prince.
A few weeks ago Charisma magazine published an interesting article on the Singaporean preacher entitled “Prince of Grace.” The article describes the growing impact of Prince’s grace preaching, particularly in the US television market.
I don’t live in the States, but I imagine Prince stands out from the crowd of TV preachers. He’s apolitical, never asks for money, and preaches nothing but the grace of God revealed in Christ alone.
In the Charisma article, Prince recounts a life-changing experience he had back in 2000. He was visiting Canada when he turned on the TV and saw a minister preaching hellfire and brimstone.
He asked God, “Why do you allow ministers like that on television?”
He heard the Lord reply, “It is because ministers like you don’t want to be on television.”
Seven years later and Joseph Prince Ministries started beaming onto our TV screens.
If you haven’t heard him preach, you’re missing out. Joseph Prince is an amazing preacher of the gospel of grace. Listen to him and you will come away with a fresh revelation of the goodness of God, the majesty of Jesus, and the perfectly complete work of the cross.
I posted some of my favorite Joseph Prince quotes here a few months ago, but below are 20 of his all-time best exclusively on the subject of grace. None of these have appeared on E2R before. I’ve taken these 20 pearls of wisdom from three sources; Prince’s two books Destined to Reign (DTR) and Unmerited Favor (UF), plus the Charisma article mentioned earlier. Enjoy!
Joseph Prince: Top 20 Grace Quotes
1. “Grace is not a theology. It is not a subject matter. It is not a doctrine. It is a person, and his name is Jesus.” (DTR, p.24)
2. “The central tenet of the new covenant … is the complete forgiveness of sins!” (UF, p.171)
3. “God’s forgiveness is not given in installments.” (UF, p.194)
4. “Old Testament prophets call your sin to remembrance, while New Testament preachers call your righteousness to remembrance. Old Testament preachers tell you what’s wrong with you, while New Testament preachers tell you what is right with you because of what Jesus has done, in spite of what is wrong with you.” (DTR, p.220)
5. “What man calls ‘balance,’ God calls ‘mixture’.” (UF, p.103)
6. “The moment you accepted Jesus, God have you an eternal ‘A+’ for your right standing with Him.” (UF, p.313)
7. “For the believer, God’s throne is not a throne of judgment. It is a throne of grace, a throne of unmerited favor.” (UF, p.298)
8. “It is the gift of no condemnation that gives people the power to sin no more. Unfortunately, many have flipped the order. They say, ‘Go and sin no more, then we will not condemn you.’ There is no power in that. Experiencing the grace of our Lord Jesus gives people the power to stop sinning.” (Charisma)
9. “The Bible says that sin shall not have dominion over you when you are not under law but under grace. So if you are living in sin, you are definitely not under grace.” (DTR, p.167)
10. “Grace brings about a restraint that is supernatural.” (UF, p.147)
11. “When you fall in love with Jesus, you will fall out of love with sin.” (Charisma)
12. “Let me teach you how to discern if the grace teaching that you are hearing is doctrinally sound. When you hear the new covenant of grace preached, it is always Christ-exalting. It always reveals more and more of Jesus… There is no grace without Jesus.” (DTR, p.32)
13. “It’s actually very easy to identify the difference between the old and new covenant teachings. Just ask yourself if the teaching is putting the emphasis on what you have to do or what Jesus has done. Does it make you introspective, always looking to yourself and how you fared or failed? Or does it turn your eyes away from yourself to look upon Jesus?” (UF, p.148-9)
14. “Our part in the new covenant of grace is to simply believe!… We are to believe in Jesus!… In the new covenant, there is nothing for us to do but to believe!” (UF, pp.167,169)
15. “In the end times people will not be anti-God, but they will be anti-Christ… That is why, in these last days, we need more preaching about Jesus, His finished work and the new covenant of His unmerited favor.” (UF, p.170)
16. “The gospel is simple, and it takes theologians to complicate it.” (UF, p.13)
17. “God sent His Son to die for you while you were still a sinner. Obviously, He does not love you only when you are perfect in your behavior and thoughts. His love for you is unconditional.” (UF, p.138)
18. “God will not punish the believer again, not because He has gone soft on sin, but because all our sins have already been punished in the body of Jesus.” (UF, p.151)
19. “Once you receive Christ, you are standing on favor ground. You are no longer on condemnation ground… In His eyes we are all His favorites.” (UF, p.315)
20. “People sometimes ask me, ‘Pastor Prince, if you don’t teach the Ten Commandments to your church, what is going to govern them?’ My friend, the Lord Himself will govern them!” (UF, p.37)
—–
Join the grace revolution. Become a subscriber today. It’s free!
Escape to Reality 
Hi Mr Philip J. Wishon, please write more about what you know cause i’m not good enough on verses but this verse in hebrew 12:9-11 is an example of God dont like us to sin, He discipline us.in verse 6 For the Lord corects and disciplines everyone WHOM HE LOVES, and punishes, even scourges, every son whom HE ACCEPTS and welcomes to His heart and cherishes.Now friends, I know someone in our office who is born again, he loves to share the word of God but he is still in flesh, maybe the reason is that he “dont want to be judged of what he is doing”. Now ot others, I think its hard for them to love the word “IF” they knew that God hates sin..I know Joseph Prince is not like the others WHO LOVES to continue sinning.Hoping not many, many people who are living in flesh will go saying “hey God is good lets LOVE the world of flesh. I invite you to Saudi, and you will see many families are destroyed because of the sin of lust of the flesh.
Check out the greek word for chastening and scourges. It’s certainly not “Beating” us with diseases, or punishing us bodily. It’s more of training us.
Watch this! Pastor Prince points out in the original greek on God’s love for us. On this scripture.
The scripture in the video is 1 Corinthians 11:32.
Rev 2:5Remember then from what heights you have fallen.REPENT and do the works you did previously or Else I will visit you and Remove your lampstand from its place, unless you change your mind and Repent. Rev 2:16Repent or else I will come to you quickly and fight against them with sword of My mouth.Rev 2:20 But I have this against you, that you TOLERATE the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a phrophetess and who is Teching and leading my servants and beguiling them into PRACTISINg sexual vice and eating food sacrificed to idols.Rev 2:21 I gave her time to REPENT, BUT she has NO desire to repent of her immorallity and refuses to do so. Take note, I will throw her on a bed of anquish and those who commit adultery with her I will bring down to pressing distress and severe affliction, unless THEY TURN AWAY their minds from conduct hers and REPENT OF THEIR DOINGS…hey guys why do say we dont need to repent, i dont understand you guys.
Please limit the comments on this thread to the post above (i.e., Joseph Prince). These comments are better suited to my posts on the Church at Ephesus and the Church in Thyatira.
The lampstands are actually the POSITIONAL power of the 7 churches. If you read it in context, God called the 7 churches “The 7 lampstand”. If you interprete the scripture carefully, God is not talking about removing the person’s salvation, but the person’s church because he is not repenting.
The most important thing to note is how God INTERPRETE repenting in this context:
Rev 2:4 – But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first.
The word love here is agape, which is GOD’s Love for us, not our love for God. So in full context:
Revelation 2:1-7
But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. …
God is saying: Why have you forgotten God’s love for you which was given at first? Repent now, return your church to my love again, or I will remove your lampstand (your church).
Praise the Lord, how much He loves His people that he will stop a church if the love of God is not manifested in the teachings. It’s a beauty to behold. REPENT as in how God wants you to repent – turn back to his LOVE!
The scripoture got nothing to do with sin. However, when you turn back to is agape, sin shall certainly have no power over you. You wont be sinning if you are so occupied loving Jesus!
Paul, God is love, God is so good, but i really dont get why its hard for you to teach that we need to be sorry of the wrong doings we do to our dear Lord Jesus. If you continue teaching that we need not repent what will happen to us all.
I am not sure why you think I am preaching against repentance. I have not said any such thing. In fact, everything on this blog is written in the hope that people will repent, i.e., change their minds about the goodness of God. Please understand though that repentance is not “turning from sin.” This is an old covenant interpretation that promotes fleshly works. If you would like to discuss this further, or if you have questions, please comment under my recent post on Repentance.
I agree…..when you listen to the message of grace, you are already repenting as you change your mind. that’s the true meaning of repentance.
I agree with Joseph Prince ,but how can he preach Grace and not teach salvation without works,such as tithing ,that was law Galatians 5:9 a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. this is not out of context because ,Galatians 5:4 says if we are justified by the law we have fallen from Grace. Please give up the… money God… your to close to the truth.
To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite. To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one’s mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior. To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one’s sins. To feel regret or self-reproach for: repent one’s sins. To cause to feel remorse or regret. These are dictionary definitions for the word REPENT.
“Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That was how Jesus taught us to pray. And let’s face it, that’s not a once off prayer – and we all have wrong thoughts and wrong attitudes on a daily basis – no matter how much we love the Lord. And it seems to me by the way Jesus taught his diciples and us to pray, that we are to repent as often as we sin.
I really love you Joseph Prince, and I believe you truly love the Lord, but I think one should be careful with those who are infants in our faith that they should not be lead astray by thinking that you can continue to live a life of sin, and that there will be no consequences for it. God is no man’s fool, and it is wonderful that he is a God of grace, but let us never forget that he is also a God of terrible wrath. He is the God of Blessing and Curse – yes even in the New Testiment.
Dear Natalie, I’m not sure why you feel the need to give us an English lesson so I’m guessing you have some problem with JP’s preaching on repentance. Might I remind you that Jesus did not preach in English and that the dictionary definition above is unlike the word the Bible actually uses. Repentance is not remorse. Consider Peter and Judas – they both betrayed Jesus. Peter repented but Judas had remorse and that made all the difference. In another post I explain why repentance is like football (it means different things to different people) and in another I give a picture of repentance. And if you are wondering why Jesus preached conditional forgiveness before the cross but then proclaimed forgiveness as a free give after the cross, you might want to take a look at this simple graphic. God bless.
Paul, please indulge me briefly, I know you know this just from your above post but it really is your fault that I want to post this. You brought up Judas and this was something I having been wanting to look at. So this post is for others who may be interested and reenforces your statement. The Bible says Judas repented in YLT it says “repented himself”. Strong’s uses to different GK words for Judas repentence and the repentence that we are instructed to do. Both words use the same prefix the the body is different. It appears to me that the difference was that Judas realized he was condemned. His regret was for himself only not a change of mind and heart because he had done something against the Lord. As you say, repentence is something different for different people. Thank you
Natalie, I have been listening to JP for almost 2 yrs. I have never understood him to say that there are not consequences for sin. What he does do is not preach about how bad you are if you sin instead he tells you how to stop sinning and that’s by knowing how much Jesus loves us and learning who we are in Christ. We can easily see that even in the secular world that children who are raised knowing that they are so loved do much better than children raised in unloving environments. They think in their hearts they are not worthy of love and do not love themselves. It is hard for them to see that anyone can love them. When they can eimbrace the love of God for them personally they find that they do not WANT to hurt the One who loves them. The Apostle John knew this and I often mimic his wise consul to himself. I “am the disciple whom Jesus loves!” Sin then becomes something that I don’t want to do, not because I’m afraid of God but because I don’t want to disappoint Him or sully His family name. To make His sacrifice for me “of no effect”. I am not under the law I live under Grace.
After 30 years of “being baptized” and reading Hebrew, Greek and English various translations; I still did not know truly who Jesus IS! 25 years ago I met and became friends with Major Ian Thomas (If I Perish, I Perish, The Saving Life of Christ, The Mystery of Godliness). It was his writings that I still read annually that finally led me to understand The Cross and the events of that one day. But I still found Churches still stuck in the Law only now it had become not just the Ten Commandments but whatever doctrine or catechism added to it and then came those “safe” passages for sermons–those with only the purpose of filling the alter call. I left behind all Churches. In 2006 while commanding the remote for once I found Prince on a local Christian TV station, then later also on TBN. Now have we attend our Church here in Orlando FL, we then prepare for the message via internet from New Creation. We now have each month’s special gift, became a Partner, and have most of his DVDs and CDs and all his books. The best, for me, has been the much too small book on Holy Communion. I am disabled and terminal. Mayo Clinic in 2004 said I had 18-24 months to live. Well, 8 YEARS later I have seen, felt healing, seen, felt the “smell”of Jesus. Holy Communion is taken daily. I have now such peace, such rest that when one of my 4 ways to die strikes, while being totally incapable of breathing, turning blue and purple, the body thrashing about, inside where it really counts I am smiling and totally completely as peace. You will find much criticism on Prince today since he first exploded into America; and it was to be expected. The American TV whatever they call themselves can easily see their own money greed stream drying up as God honors His Word, and Jesus blesses His Grace, and the Spirit moves within this dying country.
The average local Pastor probably has never heard of Prince or Major Thomas or Watchman Nee; nor have they told their sheep the Law has been hidden under the Mercy Seat of God never to be seen until that day of Judgement.
Hi Rick, thanks so much for sharing your amazing story. I think your observation about the average pastor is spot on. I have read a few of Watchman Nee’s books but I know little of Maj. Thomas. His name keeps coming up though – I will have to check him out.
Paul
Major Thomas does one thing nobody I know of has ever tried. You of course know that ESTHER does NOT mention LORD, GOD nor any reference. Yet the Trinity is there, grace is given, salvation is freely given, and evil is run out. This is the book: If I Perish, I Perish. On eBay it goes for up to $200 for it has been out of print for 340 years. Go to Torchbearers.org and you can buy it there for i think $8. But please do get to know him; he died about 3 years ago @96 and was the soldier who received the surrender flag from the Germans at Sword beach D-Day.
I see a lot of The Major is Prince; I see a lot of Nee in Prince; I see a lot of the old hymns those sung by the Black man, Amazing Grace (written by a former slave ship captain), the hymns I grew up in the 50’s-70’s. There is so much theology in old hymns. And Prince knows it. Also buy his cd Still Waters. It is pure music for meditation, prayer, communion, reading at night or just the best sleep.
Thanks for the recommendation Rick, I will definitely look it up.
Rick,
I enjoyed that. THANKS!! 🙂
i started watching Joseph Prince last year when he “just happened” to be teaching “the tree in the bitter waters @ marah is a symbol of the cross” (i had received an insight about this the day before after bible study and was even compelled to share w/ my group leader- who agreed w/ me but did not delve any deeper into it) i was excited but cautious (i was raised mormon- so when i knew the truth about Jesus and studied the bible as straight-up God’s Word, i wasn’t going to let any “man-made teachings” lead me astray ever again!) every time i listened to JP teach grace it was like he was saying something God had already revealed to me as being truth- and i hadn’t r really shared much about these things b/c no one ever talked about them in my church! i even thought maybe some of these things were my imagination (i.e.: why don’t i ever feel like i need to confess sins? why did i feel so condemned when a teacher told me there is always punishment for our sins? eek! why was i experiencing victory in my life over things that others, who had been walking w/ the LORD a lot longer than i, were still struggling w/?) but there would be the Word, telling me how it really was was! thanks to JP, everything that God had been revealing to me came together in this one word: GRACE!
when i found out JP was coming to the US last year, i cried tears of joy. when he was actually here, all i could think about was the wonderful huge-ness of it all! 🙂
Hi Jennie, thanks for writing in and telling us your story. Isn’t it interesting how we often know truth in our hearts before we know it in our heads? I know your heart knows this already, but if your brain is curious here’s a post I put together summarizing 12 reasons why we don’t need to confess to be forgiven.
yes, i read that one (your articles are most excellent, i might add :)) Jesus dealt w/ me shortly after becoming a believer… in the middle of confessing and pleading about my long list of sins (my life was a mess and i was just starting to sort through and test everything i had been taught)… i heard this authoritative yet gentle voice in my head: “I have already forgiven you!” yeah- i paid attention! it was like ‘why are you asking me to do something i have already done?’ gulp. needless to say… i have not confessed sins or pleaded forgiveness since- i thank Jesus for what He did for me. so when other Christians spoke about unconfessed/confession of sin i would wonder why they didn’t think they were forgiven b/c i KNEW i was forgiven! besides, how can people that acknowledge the Holy Spirit lives IN them even consider that this very same, very Holy Spirit could “seal Himself up” in place that wasn’t already made clean and holy?
oh! and thank you for sharing your gifts in spreading the good news of grace! i have to “confess” (lol) that it was my husband who found your website…we had actually gotten into a heated discussion about confession of sins (pastor taught it that day) after we got home from church. i asked him “why would you keep making payments on something that has already been paid for?” (he’s scrupulously gifted in the accounting/$ management area…) long story short: i went outside and prayed “You are gonna have to get this truth into him somehow, b/c he doesn’t want to hear it!” 20 minutes later he came out w/ a printout in his hand…”what keeps christians weak and unproductive?” he agreed. (me: thank You Jesus!) he said he just needed to hear it explained in a different way than how i was explaining it. (selective wife hearing? lol) so thank you! you are blessed indeed in your ministry of getting the message of grace into the hearts of men! 🙂
Wow – thanks Jennie! That made my day. I’m so glad you and your hubby are on the same page. I sometimes wonder how things would be between me and my wife if we weren’t. We both woke up to grace at the same time.
🙂 its the LORD’s timing… and His grace is always enough…
This msg of Grace is liberating indeed
God’s awesome feVer that has now come to us is incredible and this grace ministered through pastor prince has radically transformed thousands in the world including me . God bless you pastor prince
Is there a study Bible that Joseph Prince recommends? Phil
He will use the King James, The New King James, NIV, Amplified. He will always use actually Hebrew and Greek words. Whatever he needs. But notice, the Scriptures are on the screens behind him and he has no pulpit. His Sunday Service that is broadcast over newcreationchurch.sg or Princeministries.com around 11 ESTam. You will find that most of his messages begin in the OT and then the principle or the dynamic or use of Hebrew or Greek it comes to be linked always to Jesus; of course, the OT is filled with Jesus and especially His Grace.
I discovered Escape To Reality after trying to look up Joseph Prince and THIS article popped up. NOW in Joseph Prince AND Paul Ellis I feel I have discovered two excellent teachers on GRACE!! 🙂 I’m not sure where I should direct my questions so I am just adding this question here… Paul, could you please give me a good scriptural definition of self control? THANK YOU! Lori
i have heard him on tithing just google new creation church and you will find a very educative topic on tithing by joseph prince.
in the law, ppl read the bible to find fault in themself but under grace we read the bible and found God’s love for us and has been found fault on our behalf. Now we are free indeed, and the more we know that we are forgiven all, the moer we love Him.
@Rick Shafer – I think the title of the song of which you inquired is “You’re The Same” and is on the 2006 CD titled “Unleashed, Gospel Revolution”. The lyrics and purchase information are located here: http://www.my-filing-cabinet.com/gospel-revolution-worship-album. Hope this helps.
Thank you Peggi so much. I am afraid that is not the song (I was able to play it on a cd site). It comes at the end of the 3rd cd disk on Mediation after the female overvoice signs off; the sound is still recording and that is when Pastor begins. To a previous inquiry, I was told from JPMinistries that it was spontaneous and does not appear anywhere else. Thank you so much for your reply. Since I am home bound tied to a 75 foot oxygen hose and alone all day, I have almost all the cds and about 75% of the DVDs. When you are on disability and after the crash in America, you just don’t buy the special ones.
I cannot thank God enough for raising someone like Joseph Prince. I was reborn about 5 years ago and even though on that day I was shown what God REALLY is abuot: LOVE, over the next few years i was sent back to legalism and chains. Perhaps those who are against the message of grace Joseph Prince teachings don’t have idea of the negative consequences of living in fear and bound to the Law can bring to one’s life. All these 5 years I practically lived unfruitful, hating, confused, SELF-RIGHTEOUS and much more. I was in sum turning into the very same thing i hated that kept me further and further away from God in my pre-rebirth life. And all this due to legalistic techings that unfortunately are majority out there (as i saw in my experience). I delayed reading the Bible because of misinterpretations i heard and was always afraid i would find condemnation there, although i knew it was the Word of LIFE. I doubted my salvation. This is utterly serious. You just cannot live when u aren’t even sure you will spend eternity with God. Again i can’t thank God enough for getting to know Joseph Prince. Definitely my pastor 🙂
After reading just about all forums, I like this the most. I suppose it is because we all have one single thread running through us–it is NOT a new doctrine—it IS a real Person and His Name is Jesus. Since the Reformation, concentration has been on getting man out of Hell and into Heaven–not a doctrine at all. It is simply so easy–it is getting ALL THAT HEAVEN HAS TO OFFER–Jesus—into all that we are so that day by day, breath by breath we see, feel, smell, hear, walk, sit, sleep, eat, think, pray with HIM! Now the time for GRACE has at last come, I dare to say, AGAIN! For was not Jesus GRACE? Was not the message of Paul GRACE? Some pulpits still do the Reformation thing; some tell stories (parables as Jesus did) fine IF that is what their people need; but what I think they need is just to know, to be certain that they ARE LOVED! We have been beated down since Viet Nam. We did not believe nor trust our government, our Caesar, I can even foresee blood in our own streets as we have seen all Spring and Summer from Middle East. And now comes GRACE, so simple, so lovely, so calm, so restful, so certain giving a taste of what God Made Man to be.
Let us NOT talk constantly about Pastor Prince. Yes, he is most important, the only Pastor I know who is preaching GRACE. All others seem to be dimming. We must pray and be of constant diligence for the Enemy is not only real, but he is walking this earth, even this forum, seeking whom he may devour. These are evil days and the world has started its final slide laughing all the way. I did not first hear of GRACE from Pastor Prince, I was reading a book by a psychiatrist, Henry Cloud and his research buddy Townsend in a book called “How People Grow”. ONE sentence about 8 pages in struck me with such force I shouted for my wife (she was at church I had not been for 20 years). So alone I rejoiced, praised, blessed, sang, made up songs and poems, the happiest I have ever been in at that time 59 years of age. It was sort of what writers some times do–they will write a “throw-away- line” to keep them focused. That line appeared within a sentence; it did not even stand alone. And all it said was…….we walk IN GRACE every day we breath. Why I was always told we walked by faith and what We DID for GOD is what matters and lo be to the man who does not tithe or is not baptised or does not walk an aisle. WE DON’T WALK AISLE—WE WALK IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND IN THE GRACE OF THE FATHER held together by the SPIRIT. What a revelation that was to me! The night I finally came to Jesus at 27 it was because I at last heard (and I had been in church 3 services a week for my father was an Elder and I was an embarrassment to him so I walked the aisle, 15 minutes lately I was wet, got home and for one day, the Elder who had just prayed and cried over Communion, did not beat me. I hated him and everything he represented. But that night at 27 I first heard that I was actually LOVED, that I was actually THE BELOVED SON of God–not in the way Jesus is of course, but as God made us to be. I guess that is why all books of John are so cherished–he got it!! I have gone on way too long. I just had a simple point that we speak too much of what Pastor Prince and his minitries have done in my life=—and we are NOT praising the One of whom Prince speaks! I can could tell you of such treasures that are “hidden” in the OT and they all ARE Jesus–not leading to Him but HIM! Think of Esther. Where is God even mentioned? Think of Ruth. Why did a man whose means My God is King rise up and take him wife into a foreign and godless land; and why were their sons named whining and pining away? And why did Orpah turn back was she “forelock” into her life? Why did Ruth go with Naomi? And then came Boaz. And the human bloodline of Jesus the Christ of God includes harlots, outcasts, non-Jews, so many women. 40 years ago the Women’s Movement did not need marches, abortion or even their 2 leaders back then; all they had to do was to READ JESUS to find the power, strength and importance of women.
Oh my dear friends you have given me an outlet for I see each day for the last 7 years the inside walls of my house. My wife works from 8-8 and then on Saturday. I have no life; I have no friends, I do not know personally ONE, besides my wife, true Believer–I simply cannot get out! So cherish what we have HERE, don’t give all the credit, praise, glory, thanks to Prince he would be shocked! Take Holy Communion every day even alone, and just remember. You will weep and the Spirit from God begins to speak; it is so deep where the Evil one cannot go, she will know peace, calm, rest and you will SEE GRACE!
The ministry of grace appeals to me so much because of my life experience with Jesus,,,,I was saved at age 18 and didn’t know about Christ prior to ,,,,,my Pentecostal pastor preached that you had to accept Jesus as savior repent of your sins and be baptized with water and fire which is the holy ghost…..being spirit filled and god conscious the first time in my life was awesome!! But at the same time I would leave church feeling like my salvation wasn’t intact……my husband and I had a strong zeal for the things of god and began to Chase after him more than anything …..my had a strong Pentecostal root and often ministered that
works doctrine on the other hand I threw the scriptures saw that Christ had finished the work and that what I had to do was depend on his
Cheryl, It is difficult to know just what to say or even know what it is that troubles you. Your thoughts are fragmented at best and your last sentence does not end–it is as if you were cut off in mid thought or writing. Just the little I understand is you depend on “feelings” to assure you of not only salvation but of Christ Himself. You are ever so close to making “feelings” into a “work”; unless I don’t “feel” it, I cannot have it, or receive it or accept it. That is a clever dark scheme of the Evil one; to deceive us, to get us to believe that it is “something” WE must do, that WE have to do to be a Child of God. And it sounds through your confused writing, that you are falling into that trickery—anything to take your eyes, your mind, your actions off Jesus. The Evil one cannot get inside your mind but he can attack the parameters calling us out to answer his lies. I have found 2 stories that speak to this: one happens to be a favorite of mine that shows to me, at least, that God, the Father, and God, the Son have a grand sense of humor–I speak of Jesus walking on the water. Peter wants to come to Him; Jesus simply says, Come. Peter steps out and whoa he is walking of the storming Galilee water always keeping his eyes of Jesus. Then maybe a small wave or bit of wind hits him and he looks down only to realize WHAT he is doing! Well, as a fisherman, Peter knows that a man cannot do what he is doing so Peter STARTS to sink. I don’t know about you, but I do not know how some one in the middle of a storming sea or a calm backyard pool, STARTS to sink! Don’t you just go down rather fast? The 2d story is when Jesus was baptized by John. The Heavens opened, a dove came down and God Himself says, THIS is my BELOVED Son. Listen to HIM! And then immediately Jesus goes into the desert for 40 days/nights to be tempted. And every time the evil one tempts, he says (now notice carefully what the evil one does NOT say): If you are the Son of God…………; and then again, If you are the Son of God…… and finally again, If you are the Son of God……. Peter took his eyes off Jesus and sank requiring rescue by the Hand of Jesus Himself; the evil one would not, could not dare to say the truth: If you are the BELOVED Son of God…..Cheryl, KNOW that you right now, at this moment ARE THE BELOVED DAUGHTER OF GOD HIMSELF and all there is of God is instantly available to all there is of you. He but speaks and calm, rest, peace comes. Look to the Father as HIS Beloved child, then just take a deep breath, step out of the boat, stand on the wild Galilee sea, take another depth breath this time smiling seeing Jesus, and just rest, take His peace and calm. For there is NOTHING you can do but sink; unless you just rest and breath deep while keeping your eyes on Jesus. A smile will come, guaranteed, and then His peace. And you will feel His arms around you; over your shoulder. For He is the Good Shepherd Who instantly comes to the aid of His sheep. And all you have to do is sit back, relax and say, Thank You Lord. I accept and I want more for He is so happy to give you more and more each time you ASK. There is nothing you MUST do or HAVE to do to be His Child; just accept, say thank you, because of what HE did on that Galilee and then at that whipping post (by His stripes we are healed) and finally on the hill, on the cross bearing all of Human time to be forgiven. And remember how much He paid for when He cried out, My God, My God (He was not just telling those there that Psalm 22 had been fulfilled before their eyes) He cried out because for the FIRST and ONLY time He was totally separated from the Father. The Father had to turn His back, for He cannot look at Sin. And Jesus knew the pain, the loneliness, the emptiness of being without the Father. It was then He knew “it is finished”, and He died but YOU came alive for the first and forever time.
i am still a sinner ??? even though i commit sin ????
– choy
Obidience is better than sacrifice.
We are in a place of rest.
Thank you Jesus for your love.
Rick, the song “You are the same” is really part of a song entitled “Our unchanging God” from the album “A touch of His Presence”. These are all spontaneous songs from Joseph Prince. He has another album of spontaneous songs called “A touch of His Presence 2”. You can go to this link https://www.josephprince.org/onlinestore/US/c-85-music.aspx?IsTop=1 to order the CDs
Rick, I will not be able to comprehend in depth what you are going through as a result of your infirmity – the sense of loneliness, helplessness and etc. But perhaps I can share a little of the testimony of Jesus Christ in my life that may uplift you. There are many ways that the Lord heals – through His Word, Holy Communion, the anointing of His Holy Spirit, the foolishness of the preaching of His Word and etc. But there is also one other way that He has revealed to me and that is through His manifest presence. When I was born again, from the very first day, I was spending a few hours every day worshipping Him with my hands lifted up to Him in my room because that was what I observed the christians were doing at the charismatic church that I attended. Not only that, I immediately embarked on a one week fast because the church had initiated a one week fast. I never knew christians fasted before that. I decided to extend my fast to 3 weeks. During this initial 3 weeks, I was reading His word and worshipping Him every night for 3 hours by playing some worship CDs. On the 10th day of my fast, it dawned on me that I had a history of gastritis from 15 years back. If I had missed one meal, I would be throwing up and feeling nauseous for the next 7-10 days and I would have to take charcoal or antacid tablets for the condition. But here I am in the midst of a fast and I did not even suffer any ill effects. I did not know then that God is One who heals but He healed me of gastritis in the midst of a fast. I was glad that I had completely forgotten about my medical history otherwise I would not have embarked on the fast. But more than that, He has since called me to several 40 days fast and I have never come down with gastritis since. From His Word, He gave me the revelation that this was because of His manifest presence. Because Moses was spending so much time in His manifest and revealed Presence, because He is life, no death or disease could exist in His manifest presence and that was why when he died at the age of 120 years, scriptures revealed that he had the eyes of a young man. Towards the end of the 21 days fast, I was baptised in the Spirit in my room. It took me completely by surprise as the Holy Spirit came upon like a mighty wind and the next thing that I knew, I was worshipping, not praying, in the Spirit. It was pure ecstasy and totally effortless. Since then, I had so many encounters with Him. But 2 things stood out. The first was that as a result of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, I became fully conscious of His presence. He was no longer a God who was a million, million miles away somewhere up there in heaven, but in me and with me. I am no more alone. I have the fellowship and communion of God. This is most precious to me. It is His presence that I value most of all till this day. The second thing that I have learnt and received from Him is that worship is the key, for worship ushers in His presence.
Since then, through the times of worship unto Him developed over the years, there have been so many times that His presence have been so strong within me and upon me that not only was His life was flowing so strongly within me, there was also such a sense of oneness with Him. When His life flows within me, I become so incredibly alive, even in my mind. But it is this wondrous reality of oneness and union with Him that is so priceless.
If I could wrap up this entire note, it is this – worship Him, worship Him, worship Him. It will usher in His manifest presence and where His manifest presence is, there every blessing in Christ is found. Healing, health and wholeness for your body is found in His manifest Presence. Worship Him.
I hope this testimony will be a blessing and a hope to you.
There are always two sides to a story and I of course want to share mine about Joseph Prince.
He is a Word of Faith Teacher, which raises a yellow flag in my belief, because WOW theologh is like looking at a piece of Swiss Cheese(a lot of loop holes. Most of the comments bear much applaud to Joseph Prince Ministry. If Prince indeed adheres to the WOW theology, than he believes Jesus Christ did not finish the atonement for our sins on the cross when he said, It is Finished.” This bears much caution.
I’ve read articles by Christian people in Singapore who also bear caution to “some” (my emphasis) Princes’s teaching. They sound good but we must be be careful of one wh says and I quote. Now please, before the rebukes come, I said some of Princes teachings, not all.
The Following was taken from Princes’s book , Destined to Reign, pages, 134, 135).
“The bottom line is that the Holy Spirit never convicts you of your sins. He NEVER comes to point out your faults. I challenge you to find a scripture in the Bible that tells you that the Holy Spirit has come to convict you of your sins. You won’t find any! The body of Christ is living in defeat because many believers don’t understand that the Holy Spirit is actually in them to convict them of their righteousness in Christ. Even when you fail, He is ever present in you to remind you that you are continually cleansed by the blood of Jesus. That’s the Holy Spirit. … When you’ve failed, the Holy Spirit convicts you of righteousness, not your sins.”
The Holy Spirit is telling you that you are righteous ?. Hmm… Then Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit should not have wrote the numerous corrections to the various churches on there failure in morality or conduct. If the Holy Spirit is actually in them to convict them of their righteousness in Christ then what of Jesus speaking of sin and judgment?
Is Princes’s teaching of grace negating Philippians 1:6? Am I wrong.
Peace
Dano, you are wrong when you come against the Word of faith theology. For does not the scripture declare that God declared everything into existance through His Word. Does it also not declare that life and death lies in the power of our tongue and therefore it is critical that what we confess is in line with the scriptures and with the rhema of the Holy Spirit. Throughout the scriptures, we have examples upon examples of the power of declaration. In Job 22:28, it reads “You will decree a thing and it shall be established for you”. Even to receive our salvation, does not Rom 10:8-10 declare “But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith which we preach; that if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth, confession ismade unto salvation”.
You further charged that if Joseph Prince indeed adheres to the Word of faith theology, then he believes Jesus Christ did not finish the atonement for our sins on the cross when He said, “It is finished”. But this is a false and baseless charge against him. If you have heard his sermon teachings or read his books, over and over again, you will hear him declare the perfect and finished work of Jesus. There is nothing for us to do but to belief and rest in all that Jesus has accomplished for us through his finished work. It is all Jesus and nothing of us.
Then you charged that Joseph Prince interpretation of John 16:8-11 is unscriptural… The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin because they do not believe in Jesus – that He is the Savior. There is only one sin that the Holy Spirit convicts the unbelievers and that is the sin of unbelief which is so clearly stated here. In the next category, He convicts the believers of righteousness – their righteousness in Christ, the righteousness that is a gift from God because of the perfect and finished work of Jesus… Throughout scriptures, righteousness is always by grace through faith and never by works…
As to your question whether Joseph Prince’s teaching of grace negates Philippians 1:6, on the contrary, it confirms and establishes it. Look again at the scripture of Phil 1:6 ” being confident in this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ”. What is the focus of this scripture? Is it not the Lord? It is He who started the work in us and it is He who will finish the work in us. It is all about Him. It is all about His grace and nothing of our self efforts or vain striving.
The work of the Holy Spirit is to point us to Jesus, His perfection, His finished work. And He reveals and reminds us of our new and true identity in Christ Jesus. He does not point out our faults and sins. He points us to Jesus and as we behold Jesus, we are then transformed effortlessly into His image by the Spirit of the Lord. Jesus is our new identity.
Samuel, please respect E2R’s comment policy and keep comments <250 words in future. Thanks.
Thank you for you comments Samuel, I am always curious how others think along the lines of theology. Most assuredly I will keep JPs and WOF teachers in check.
Blessings,
Dano
Thanks for you reply Samuel. I will still keep JP and the Word of Faith teachers in check.
Solo Scriptura
Solo scriptura – the scriptures alone…
Never heard the word sanctification??? We are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works.Yes saved by grace through faith not of our own works lest any man should boast However??? we are created in Christ Jesus as new creatures in Him growing in grace (fruit bearers) for good works or deeds. Holy Spirit fill me,, guide me and give me strength it will not be effortless but we will overcome by the blood of the Lamb , and the word of our testimony even unto death, Gird up people of God and be guided by the Holy Spirit to the Glory Of God yea bearing fruit can and will require sacrifice. obediance and deligence. Love God’s word that the Holy Spirit will have someonre to work in. We will see the saved and the rewards when we are in Glory. Don’t fall a sleep in your grace we need your service as Ephesians 4 says. Proper working of each… have a blessed evening.
I agree about Bruce’s comments (September 2012) about tithing not mention in the new testament. Not sure about Joseph Prince’s opinion or interpretation of scripture about tithing from Abrahamic period…Yes we must be a cheerful givers, and God’s provision or the Churches survival is not dependent on tithing (Ricks comments). you give what you can 5%,10%,15% etc…God will do the rest, it was good enough for the original churches in Acts and its good enough for 2013
I think Joseph Prince is a dynamic preacher with a powerful anointing and hope to be able to attend somewhere he is teaching. The world needs more men & women who speak the uncompromising message of Jesus, like Joseph Prince is doing. HERE IN AMERICA – we are fortunate to have great preachers – like Creflo Dollar – but I never miss Pastor Prince’s broadcast. (Yes, people in America do read this blog).
Pastor Prince is coming to America: Los Angeles, Dallas and New Jersey. I believe in September. To far from Florida. I have learned more in 4 years watching and listening to him then 4 years of Hebrew and Greek and Theology. Just before I found Prince I read a book by Henry Cloud and his partner, I cannot remember, where in just a “throw away phrase” he writes, we walk by Grace. This was freedom to me! Then the next month I first saw Prince. I became a Partner and have almost all his DVD series and CD series. Simply cannot get enough. I find no church in Orlando that comes close.
Any further information out there about Joseph Prince and fasting? Paul, what is your take on fasting?
I am now learning more about all the benefits of the divine exchange at the cross, and about receiving freely vs. trying to earn favor. But things are so dark and painful in our finances, I don’t know if the Lord is calling me to fast about the situation. I want to resist fear and withdrawal. I don’t want another nervous breakdown. Thanks for your prayers for us, Escape To Reality readers.
Kevin, I truly understand where you are; we have been there for 3 years now. There is nothing I can do and that is exactly the position my Holy God wants me. He did not cause this just like He did not cause your situation. But He and His Beloved Son, Jesus are waiting for you to ASK not do; for you can do nothing, Jesus can. He always said we could do nothing without Him; and that He can and wants to do and be every problem, tear, fear, poverty, depression. Know this one thing: when such is happening to you as now, it all comes from the Evil One and the Dark Evil One ONLY attacks the children of the Father. So don’t do, just ask. For when Jesus is in the center of your life, your marriage, your lack; keep your eyes on Him alone, and you will walk on water too.
Rick I may have missed a reply elsewhere, but with what you say above – how does that line up with your belief stated in the opening comments that “prayer and fasting were needed to drive out strong demons”? I know which scripture you are quoting but actually Jesus answered in the previous verse to the one you mention. Jesus said it was because of “unbelief”. The verse you mention is not in every manuscript which is why it is in italics. How does praying and fasting add to one’s faith or “belief” ? It doesn’t. The Word clearly states elsewhere that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. The verse was added by those who did not understand the authority of the Name of Jesus, and sought to put their own interpretation on the matter.
I have wondered the same thing about fasting – but this weekend I read JP’s booklet about the Communion and it helped me so much…now I see that it is through the communion that we receive healing…maybe this applies to financial healing too? Jesus said we would fast, but I don’t agree with doing things to “make” God move on our behalf…he’s already done everything! His word says he wants mercy more than sacrifice, so unless you are being drawn into fasting I would not go there…it could keep you in bondage to works.
Brilliant! Just Brilliant. Yes the small book on Holy Communion is very good; the DVD set is 5 disks and grand (ebay about $30; JPM: >$85.
It is through correctly discerning His body that we are healed; just as correctly discerning His Blood we are redeemed and are given the righteous of God. 9 years ago the Mayo Clinic after 15 days testing, that I had 12-18 MONTHS to live. No mere man knows when I will die; it is 9 years later. Yes we have lost just about everything; but morning or evening Holy Communion every day is our center now. Plus purely personal, whenever I fasted for 2 weeks or more, just water and salt; I always gained 7-10 pounds–go figure. There really is nothing I can do; I must just get out of my Lord’s way and just let Him. That is all there is to it; ever so simple. Yet we tend to make it so hard; that we must DO when we cannot but He CAN and always WILL.
I have just read your response; however, I do not know to whom you are responding. You state something about my reply on prayer and fasting “above”. No such thing was said. What WAS said is that Darkness in and of this world attacks Believers as well as Unbelievers. Do you think that poverty, sickness, illness, etc. comes from Jesus and the Father? I never read in my Bible that Jesus said “here have some cancer; you have some leprosy”. Every place Jesus went He healed, restored. Let me suggest 2 studies for you when you state about “faith”. Abraham in the OT and Abraham in the NT particularly what Jesus said about Abraham. I recognize “and it was accounted to him as righteousness” and of course, Abraham is before the Law so therefore Faith AND Grace are present. Look at the blessings the Father promises to the seed of Abraham (His Son and His Church). Just one more small question: The Law came through Moses and death by the Law and none are righteous no not one under the Law. Now go the Chronicles where all the Begets begin. Several pages go by until suddenly “Now there was a righteous man named Jabez”. He prayed asking for prosperity and since his name meant “Pain” that pain would not come to his family nor he would take pain to others. Then an amazing thing happens: And God heard the prayer of Jabez and answered it. Then the begets begin again and Jabez is lost to history never to be mentioned again. He was obviously under the Law, but how did he become righteous? So that the Father God heard his prayer (no blood sacrifice at an altar or sprinkled on the Mercy Seat) and answered it. Think of it this way: GRACE ALWAYS trumps the Law; and there is NOTHING we can EVER do to earn, deserve, merit the Grace of God. It has always been I cannot Lord; I never said you could, Jesus replies. Lord, you can; and Jesus replies, I always said I would.
Hi I am from Sri Lanka – a convert to Christianity from Buddhism which is the religion of the majority in SL. I have been exposed to the law and tithing and many other principles but never heard anything like JP all the time I was a Christian. Then I discovered Pastor Joseph Prince a few years ago and have never looked back! Bought his books in Singapore and am hoping to visit his church when I go to Singapore next which God willing, maybe in August. His sermons glorifying Jesus have transformed my life. With JP, I have discovered Jesus in the OT and NT in ways I would never have thought possible – refreshing sermons that I never fail to listen to on my iPhone every morning. God bless everyone.
HI, I’m Samson i love listen to pastor prince preaching please is there anyway i can be receiving your tithing sermons here is my email, akinbos@ymail.com. Thanks! may God bless you pastor prince.
I thank God for Joseph Prince and Paul Ellis, and Simon Yap. They nourish me. I am comfortable with the truths they express as they are in my heart already, and I experience deep peace and joy when I hear or read anything from these 3 men in particular, although I know there are others who preach mostly the same. And that is the key for me. With every other person I listen to or read there is a discordant note at some point. It is not only that I disagree with what they are saying at that particular point, it is a real jarring, almost like walking into a glass door unawares. I have been challenged a few times by Paul as he raises questions touching on long held beliefs! but have never experienced the jarring feeling that I have with certain others. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with the others, only that my own journey has bought me to the place whereby these 3 men are always in line with my own inner witness. We are always hearing, always learning, always expanding in our understanding, and I am more excited today than I was last year, and I was more excited last year than I was the year before that, and so on back to the start of this wonderful journey of faith and discovery 30 some years ago. Come Lord Jesus!
We love Pastor Prince and his complete teaching of God’s perfect person.Grace.
He and Andrew Wommack teach the same gospel, the true gospel. Don’t miss out people, it’s not a false gospel.
I am always concerned when a person’s teaching is elevated above what the full counsel of the Word of God says. The Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth. Man will never guide us into all truth. Please do not put your trust in man.
Haha – heard that before. Dear Anonymous, I encourage you to read this post entitled “What is the ‘whole’ gospel?“
Hi Paul,
It seemes to mee that you have not listened to Pastor Prince or maybe you are just thinking people here show too much enthusiam for him as a man – however, if you listen to his teaching you will see how he only elevates Jesus. People who listen to his messages are drawn to Christ, and Christ is worth getting excited about! Thru Pastor Prince’s teachings I have been drawn to a deeper intimacy with Christ and now I enjoy reading his Word like never before. I think I speak for many of us on this blog…we are drawn to Christ, actually AWAKENED the Christ through Pastor Prince’s uncompromising devotion to the Word of God. This is what so many of us have been looking for and not finding in the legalistic churches we have been associated with. I hope this helps explain that none of us are following a man, unless of course, you mean the “God-man”, Jesus Christ…in which case, YES! We happily are!
Tammie, is your comment directed to me? I am a huge fan of Joseph Prince – I wrote the post above and have reviewed his books his on E2R.
Excellently penned. Im so thankful that Holy Spirit introduced me to His message of Grace through Pastor Prince. My life and beliefs have forever changed.
I would rather spend my time reading God’s Word than the thoughts and interpretations of men. Why do we think we have suddenly gained some sort of new understanding of God’s Word and His Character that others over the centuries have simply not seen. I believe that we have been saved by grace and that it is a gift of God not a result of works that no one should boast. My goal is to now please God by becoming transformed into His image…conformed into the image of His Son. That will happen as the Holy Spirit takes the Word of God and changes me. I did not say the whole gospel…I said the whole counsel of the Word of God. God reveals His love, His desire for relationship with us, Our need for a Savior throughout the entire Bible. If you think my perspective should be laughed at as you did in your first response, you are not being kind or bringing a perspective that would create in me a desire to listen to what you might have to say. No love felt through that.
Gina, if you imagine me laughing at you, then you have an image of me that is a distortion of the truth. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is also a distortion to say the gospel of grace is a new message. Paul preached it on every page of his letters. You came here to attack a good man by implying that Joseph Prince’s message is not truth. This is not the fruit of the Spirit of truth and love.
It’s not that we think we suddenly know something New but that we have Rediscovered the TRUTH that bad theology stole from us. If it were not for human teachers trying to help us see the truth of grace a lot of us would still be plodding through our bibles reading under the veil of whatever bad teaching we are under at the time. So in acknowledging, promoting or celebrating a human writer-speaker we are simply saying thanks and trying to help others out of the muddy mess that Christianity can get into sometimes.
Like it or not how you read your bible comes largely from what ever doctrine you embrace and if said doctrine isn’t right you will misread and misapply certain vital passages.
i studied the bible for almost 3 years in total reliance of the Holy Spirit’s explaining it to me… the first time i heard joseph prince’s teaching, he was only confirming what the Spirit had already revealed to me… 😉
Well said, the gospel of grace is not new neither is this Calvanist theory. Teaching that a believer can sin without consequence is a lie from the pit of hell.
You hail him as if he introduced grace to mankind. Read the bible yourself and get the revelation from the Holy Spirit.
Hi Bissi
Well done you have just accused Jesus of speaking from the pit of hell . He carried all our consequences on the cross, You could redeem yourself by explaining what consequence our sin has after the cross. Just remember that no sin will enter heaven and you can unfortunately not stand with one foot in heaven and one in hell.
You cannot live on both sides of the of the cross..
We don’t go to hell for sin. We’re forgiven. Period. Jesus suffered horribly for this. People are so hesitant to give up their own efforts that it’s impossible to accept sometimes…. The narrow road thing. (don’t even give me all the doctrine on that, I won’t read it). Consequences are something different than forgiveness. Break the law, goto jail. But go to jail forgiven and righteous because of Jesus.
You know something; I do believe that Christians are the worst enemies of Christians. I have heard all my life: “If you don’t believe as we do, then hell awaits you” I heard that both at a church 4 times a week also from an extremely abusive father, who just happened to be the Senior Elder and Chairman of the Board. Was I baptised near age 12, you are so right because the beatings up to that age simply got worse that I was going to embarass him. My goodness, how I hated that man and his wife even after I left and never returned not even for funerals (of course my siblings told me of the deaths 1-2 months after). If this was God and His Loving Son Jesus, this boy was not having any of it. You see the huge mistake that is being made in the world as well as back then is the mixing of the Law with the Gift of Grace. But I did not see that until age 47 and it really exploded at 60 when I first heard Prince. I have feared and do pray for him as he comes back to the States in the Fall. New Creation Church and its Leadership are very special to this world right now. Should Prince be suckered into Kopeland or any of those Law/Give me Money practices, it will open him and New Creation to the powers of this world. Instead of yelling at him, we should be on our knees asking our God through His Beloved Son to protect that man and his family during their week in the most Sodomized city on the planet. It will make me vomit to see Kopeland and his elk preaching and “send me money” according to Grace so that they sound just like Prince. They are evil men. And Prince is somewhat ignorant about the “church” in America.
We are all loved. We are all forgiven. Not a one of us is better than the other. Copeland and all the others included. Now, I am perfectly willing to serve God totally without any financial blessing and health and all the rest. But, Jesus suffered just as much to provide me that as He did to provide me with forgiveness and righteousness. Soooooooo, if He was willing to be horrifically tortured to give me these things, who do I think I am to feel like its evil for me to take them? All ministers ask for money. If you don’t agree with them, don’t give them any.
I don’t!
I merely look at their actions; I cannot discern their hearts.
The Word says you shall now a man by his deeds; phony or faithful; greedy or giving.
They tend to have a “new” congregation about every 5-7 years for people just leave.
This is caused I believe to the mixing of The Law and Grace, of money and greed; and sometimes lust and yielding.
However, bringing any form of fear into the Church building and then yell it from the pulpit to the church is certainly not from the Father nor His Beloved Son nor the Spirit.
I also think that is one of the main reasons that institutional “church” membership have been declining and the rise of forms of the ‘early church’ are growing everywhere.
a thought just occured to me in response to your comment kari… i think that some ministers ask for money for the same reason they teach the law – they dont trust the Holy Spirit to lead people… in their giving or their living. granted, when there is a need, i am not offended when there is a request… but our giving should be in response to the Holy Spirit’s leading us to do so…
rick – i understand your concerns… but perfect love casts out fear brother. Jesus is the Beginning and the End – He started this… and He will finish it. 😉
The KJV states “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”. We should all know by now that the word “fear” is better translated as “worship”; therefore, the WORSHIP of the Lord IS the beginning of Wisdom. And Jesus Christ is that Wisdom. I have no “fear” of nor from my Father God nor His Beloved Son; I bow in worship each morning, each evening, each day. I do not fear nor worship any mere man. The Mayo Clinic 9 YEARS ago told me I had 12 months to live; my Jesus had another idea. I see what mere men have done to the true Gospel of Grace. It is the chosen to ignore, to not hear, the man with no ears for whom I weep. My son-in-law, the father of my precious 4 grandchildren (4-9) who believes and has swallowed a cult. A cult of a dead pastor; a cult that believes that the OT, tithing, the 4 Gospels and yes even the Lord Jesus Himself were all under the Law and therefore do not matter to us. In our discussions, I would accept that but then take him to Acts-Revelation and ask is this not Christ and was He not foretold here? It is all written with the finger of God Himself. He won’t visit now for 6 years; he doesn’t work, the kids sleep in the smallest bedroom–yes all 4. I once asked: if Jesus is under the Law and therefore since we are not under the Law, where and by whose authority did the Law die? So he plays golf, the kids stay in school and after-school care for 10 hours each day, my step-daughter works 12 hours 7 days a week. She takes the kids to our church; she tries but it so tired; she tried to accept his belief system when they first married but could not. So Peter Pan found his Wendy and the Lost Boy/Girls come here for freedom and love and to feel Jesus.
I agree that the money grabbing is fear based. We actually give as we are blessed. We can’t give with the right heart unless we are blessing out of our blessing. Just like we can’t love until we receive God’s love for us. And we can’t stop being critical (you aren’t being jennie…) of others until we are free from condemning ourselves. We have to live in all grace, all the time.
rick, i was just responding to your fearing for joseph prince coming back to the states… 😉
Amazing Grace…..that saved a wretch like me! I know what people mean by the churches that are legalistic but have also seen some false teaching in our Grace teaching churches. JP is refreshing to listen to but like others he does not always preach truth and that what I am concerned about. I hope it comes from sincerity but none the less we should pray for his ministry that always the whole truth is preached. Anyone that knows our Saviour will know what I am talking about .
Pastor Prince is fantastic, His preaching opened. my eyes to the completed work of Jesus from Genesis to Revelation, so excited to attend a service of his in November while in Houston
When watching joseph prince 0ver time I realized the childlike quality he has- like a little boy at his father’s feet nagging daddy- in this case Abba Father, to: tell me more tell me more daddy. And I get excited to also be at. Jesus feet thirsting and hungering always for more. I now understand why we are to be as little children.thank you for this blog!
That’s a good observation, Janine. Well put. I feel the same way. : )
I enjoy lisening and watching Joseph Prince. One commentor mentioned he does not ask for money; in a way he does as I have wanted to purchase some of his teachings but he is too expensive. So I watch him on t.v. and let it go at that.
If you copy and paste this address into your web browser address bar, you will get his newest video teachings FREE, on TBN internet.
Hi David…sign up for JP’s email devotionals and you will receive notifications each month of their special offer. The offer is usually a CD sermon series, but sometimes more. These monthly offers are available for a donation of “any amount”, even only $1.00 USD. This is how I am able to collect many of Pastor Prince’s sermons…frankly, I don’t know how they can afford to send these CDs to me for only $1, but I am grateful they make this ministry available for people like us with limited funds. Also, since my husband forbids me buy anything from JP I am able to conceal my purchase by using a gift card…just be sure you don’t use a US ONLY gift card. JP’s ministry has a US/Canada website based in Atlanta, but the gift card companies have a way of knowing he is based out of Singapore and will refuse to pay any foreign based entity. Fortunately I have an older gift card which works fine, and is only $1.00 per month for the best teaching available. Also, you can download free sermons from iTunes or listen on YouTube. Watch for specials as well…for almost 2 months he ran a special, 20% off and free shipping till Christmas!
I hope you understand though…that it really isn’t right to continue to just send a $1.00 to get those monthly tape offers. There are substantial production costs that go into making cds available to the public.
You are married and have income coming in…which simply put isn’t right to take advantage a ministry like this. I mean I’m really not trying to be a jerk here, just pointing out that you have finances and you are willing to use them on JP sermons that he makes available at a very reasonable price to the public. It just isn’t right to deliberately cheat a ministry that is feeding you spiritually. The fact that they even send out a resource for $1.00 shows you just right this ministry is.
At some point you have to face your fears and let your hubby know that you have every right to spend your money on his tapes.
I am a generous supporter of JP’s ministry, but you are obviously not a woman and cannot relate to being married to a Pharisee nor can you understand what it feels like to be in the role of submission to a husband. That’s okay, most men cannot relate to this at all. I think you are encouraging me to be like Abigail…I prayed about this very matter and God spoke to me saying the new testament example for Christian wives is Sarah. She went along silently with all the faithless plans of her husband. This is what I do. I do have a good job, but my money goes into “our” account and I am not allowed to spend on things that my husband disagrees with. I must ask his permission for everything I buy. I am given a cash stipen for groceries each week, and it is from this that I send JP other orders and donations. I shared about the $1 teachings so people can see how generous JP is and that his is not a money grabbing preacher as my husband accuses him. God is well able to bring the increase and supply all our needs, even the needs of JP’s ministry. However, I have seen abuses as you mention…on Amazon people will sell these $1 messages for up to $50, can you imagine the audacity? Nevertheless, God will bless JP for his generous offer. It helps so many of us who struggle with various stressful monetary circumstances.
I love Joseph Prince. I have hundreds of his sermons and I’m 100% on board with what teaches. In fact, I stole the Lord’s tithe for decades…LOL…until I heard JP’s teachings on the tithe. And his teachings made me want to tithe to my local church in America. They impacted me that much and broke my poverty spirit. And I see, reading through the comments section, that some believers who are stealing the Lord’s tithe got upset because the tithe was mentioned. LOL Never fails.
If you’re honest with yourself…like I was…you know exactly why you say “…tithing is not for today…” Its because you want to steal that tithe like I did for so long. LOL I mean let’s not play games and get real here.
Tell me, what will be the result if I stole God’s tithe? And what scripture do you base your answer?
You’re not going to be cursed if you steal the tithe, but the windows of Heaven won’t be opened up over you and Jesus doesn’t become your Shield and exceedingly great reward. Many Christians are blessed through the Cross, but you can be a Christian blessed and not have a lot of money. If you go to Genesis and study Abraham’s life, the Lord said that Abraham was very wealthy, in cattle, in silver and in gold. And he was blessed in all things at the end of his life. We have the blessing of Abraham if we believe we are righteous by faith. But many overlook at Abraham, Isaac and Jacob living under Grace and bringing the Lord’s tithe to Him. I mean those specific details aren’t there just to take up pages. We’re back under Grace and we are being shown great truths by the Lord, about how we should live under Grace. And too many Christians have a ‘westernized mind’ when it comes to the Bible…
It’s not about what we do or don’t do for God, it’s about what He did for us in Christ and when we get that and enter that Joy, resurrection life, kingdom realities, it’s not about giving 10% or not, it’s about laying down our lives as a living sacrifice. Ro 12:1
Money is a symbol and a shadow, we use it we give it as our heart is not in it. If it’s still about the money than we’re still under the Law and the curse.
Jesus paid our tithe forever, now we live a life of giving, because He lives in us and gives, and we don’t live from a mindset of LACK but of LIFE (which is more than material supplies and includes them).
For I have learned in whatsoever state I am to be content – which is true prosperity and abundance. Our life is HIDDEN in Christ, who is the sustainer of ALL THINGS.
With all due respect sir, you stated that you “stole the Lord’s tithes” and “believers who were stealing the Lord’s tithes”…under the law it is written “Thou shall not steal”…as you already know, under the Law there jwere consequences for disobeying the lawe. And as you correctly stated that Jesus paid our tithe for us. My question is, if Jesus already paid our tithe for us, why are we required to continue to pay tithe to Him? To say that believers are stealing the tithe would imply that they will be punished if they did. You and I know that is not true. New Testament giving (not “tithing” or giving 10% of one’s income) is taught in 2 Corinthians 9. The New Testament never mention tithing except in the book of Hebrews. And then the author is referring to the Old Testament. So sir there is no more such a thing as stealing God’s. Under the New Covenant, according to Romans 8:17, we are “heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ”…Therefore, whatever belongs to Christ belongs to us! All glory goes to God!
LOL It NEVER FAILS. Offer another believer a chance to hear JP preach for FREE…but they’ll never take you up on the offer. Because they want to continue to steal the Lord’s tithe. Yes Abraham, Isaac & Jacob tithing under Grace is NOT a small picture of the believer under the NC…(lol)…
Rob, thanks for your comments but please note E2R’s strict comment policy which requires comments be less than 250 words and pertain directly to the post above.
Paul I’m sorry about he comment length and going a bit off the beaten path. Thank you for the warning and I’ll be more careful with my words in the future.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob tithed VOLUNTARILY under grace. They gave tithes because they wanted to. It was not a commandment, It was not required of them. Likewise, the New Testament believer is not under obligation but gives as he purposes in his heart. 2 Corinthians 9:7-9. As far as “stealing” tithes goes, this reference is made to Malachi 3. Taken in CONTEXT, this passage is referring to the Israelites who were not using the tithe for its purpose which was to feed the widows, orphans…the “have nots” in the community. The Israelites were misusing the tithes (stealing). THERE WAS NO TITHING UNDER GRACE! Common sense will teach us that to steal God’s tithes will cause us to be cursed with a curse according to Malachi 3. The New Testament believer is no longer under the curse according to Galatians 3:13. Why would God send Jesus to die and be a curse on our behalf just to turn around and curse us again for “stealing” the tithe? That doesn’t make sense. THE NEW TESTAMENT BELIEVER IS NOT REQUIRED TO TITHE.
One of my favorite quotes by Pastor Prince.. i dnt remember the sermon.. but he mentioned that the greeks had a hard time to translate the word “good news” because in literal terms it meant “too good to be true” … people where shocked when they heard the gospel of grace.
i will do my best to look for that sermon..
I remember him saying that too, but I can’t recall the sermon title myself. The Lord has Pastor Prince say s many things that just stick. One quote that always sticks with from Pastor Prince, (me paraphrasing), that the biggest problems that the Jews and many Christians have today…is receiving Jesus as their righteousness. And its such a succinct, yet incredibly powerful truth. Prince is just on a level of revelation that most preachers aren’t. And I believe its due to being faithful to bringing Jesus back to the church, as God the Father asked him to do back in 1997. It really does PAY to serve and do what the Lord ask you to do.
Pastor Paul White is an awesome Gospel of Grace preacher along with Berti Britt and John Sheasby.